DasNootz
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Bottom line... if the powers that be put a high emphasis on getting the top TE in this draft, they have to take him at 11, because he will not be there at 28. Baltimore or Philly will take him first.
Brown will be there at 11, there's no doubt in my mind. Orakpo might, and at this point, I'm not really sure which one I'd like more. If there was any possible way to slip back, I would, because Brown will still be on the board later... but not at 28.
My most likely scenario is that we take Brown at 11, because Orakpo will go a slot or too before us. If Pettigrew was available at 28, I have no problem taking him over the 5th best OT in the class. I'd still take a Center in round two and move on from there.
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"He has good football speed." - aka can't run the 40.
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They also have Detroit taking Curry with the #1.
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I know it's over the "decade" requirement... but Tony Gonzalez worked out pretty well in 1997.
I think you left out some other first round TEs taken outside of the top 15 picks in the first round.
2000 - Anthony Becht @ 27
2002 - Jeremy Stevens @ 28
Not to be disrespectful, but name one TE drafted in the top 15 this decade that's been worth the pick. Here's the list:2000 - Bubba Franks @ 14
2002 - Jeremy Shockey @ 14
2004 - Kellen Winslow @ 6
2006 - Vernon Davis @ 6
Now contrast that with TEs taken in the first round, outside the top 20 picks this decade:
2001 - Todd Heap @ 31
2002 - Daniel Graham @ 21
2003 - Dallas Clark @ 24
2004 - Ben Watson @ 32
2005 - Heath Miller @ 30
2006 - Marcedes Lewis @ 28
2007 - Greg Olsen @ 31
2008 - Dustin Keller @ 30
To me, it's glaring that the value just isn't there in the top half of the first round. Based on draft history, team need, player value, and projections (where Pettigrew is expected to last into the 20's), it makes way more sense to pass on him. Take him at 28 if he's there, and if not, go with either a guy like Shawn Nelson at 42 or Chase Coffman/James Casey in the 3rd.
Just my 1 cent.
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100th Post - So it's got to be true.
Brown - With Orakpo going to SF before us, this will be a nice reach for the talking heads to discuss
Britton - Somebody has to play tackle
Mack - Comes in at center opening day
You can pay me in beer at opening day.
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don't like the color, but it's their team colors. i like the style of the jersey...good sleek look.
I don't know how it will hold up as "timeless" as Weaver says, but it looks good for them.
And we'll still get stuck with our pajamas...
Going with a fad is never "timeless".
The only new look that I really like is the Baltimore Ravens. I love the black on black.
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Once we make our first pick, the entire order of need will change again.
DE to me is the biggest need. Assuming that some ridiculous gift doesn't fall into our lap (Monroe, Curry, Jason Smith Crabtree or possibly Raji), I think we have to go DE. At that point, LB is no longer as glaring a need, espcecially with so many holes on the offensive side.
OT is the second biggest need. Assuming that Monroe and Jason Smith are gone, and that we took a DE at 11, who's likely left at 28? If Andre Smith is still around, he's worth serious consideration. If not, you're looking at Ohr or Britton. I assume that Pettigrew is gone by that point.
Second round... we need either a Center or a Guard. Our new FA pickup will play which ever we don't fill. I think Unger or Mack fit here. The top guard is Levitre, but he's a reach at this point.
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If you were in charge of the Bills War Room, what are the top 5 needs?
OT, OG, C, TE, WR, RB, QB, FB, DT, DE, OLB, ILB, CB, S
For me... it starts on the Lines...
We have to get better at putting pressure on the opposing QB. DE is a top 5 need... DT is not top 5 for now.
OT/OG/C - really every one of these positions needs work - on the Starting line, not the backups... OT is top 5, OG is top 5, C is not top 5
TE is a top 5 need. We haven't had a strong TE in a long time.
RB/FB/QB/WR we're ok for now - at least not a top 5 need imho for any of these positions.
OLB/ILB/S are not top 5 - we're ok at these spots for now.
CB - I think we still need another CB, not a starter, but with Greer gone I think we need a strong Backup/Dime...
So... In order I'm going DE, OT, TE, OG, CB
What would yours be? This isn't draft order or anything... Just importance...
DE, OT, TE, OG/C, LB
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I guess it depends on who you're talking about. Under no circumstance can I justify taking Stafford or Sanchez, unless you've already worked a trade in the background. I really don't think either will be spectacular in the near future.
If Curry, Jason Smith or Monroe fall to us, it's a glaring need and they'll be the best available = no brainer.
The big question comes with what happens if we have our choice between someone like BJ Raji or Crabtree vs. Orakpo. Personally I think if the choice is Raji or Orakpo, I take Orakpo because he's just as highly rated and fits a bigger need.
Crabtree appears to an elite WR, and barring his injurry he could have been the concensus #1. I have a hard time passing up the best talent in the draft and would want to take him, even though we don't have a desperate need at WR right now. I know that this hasn't worked for Detroit, but Crabtree doesn't appear to come with all of the baggage that Charles Rogers or Mike Williams. I wouldn't mind 3-4 seasons with Evans and a (Calvin Johnson or Roy Williams type) after TO leaves.
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If there were such a clause, which I doubt there is, it should be for a minimum number of targets and not catches. That way it's in the OC's hands and not TOs.
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Gotcha. I would say it's hard to come up with parameters/criteria for a study like this. I like the criteria Barnwell uses though...a player making a Pro Bowl in their first 4 years seems reasonable to me.
For the sake of discussion, the consensus view is that it takes rookie wide receivers and quarterbacks longer than other positions to contribute on the field. The game is a bit more complex, more of an adjustment from college, etc.
Given that belief don't you think it's very interesting that 27% of all QBs and WRs drafted in the first round make the Pro Bowl within their first four seasons?
It also doesn't hurt that reserve players for the Pro Bowl tend to be "specialty" type playsers.
Last year there were 7 Pro Bowl QBs vs. 4 Centers. Each position only gets one player on the field at a time, but nearly twice as many QBs get chosen. In 2008 there were 8 QBs... that's 25% of the league's starters. WRs can get to the ProBowl as a WR or a kick/punt returner.
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More info is needed.
It all depends on what the discussion was about. If you were debating politics, it might be worth apologizing for being a douche and leaving. If you were discussing the fact that he flys a Dolphins flag on gameday, you may need to buy a pistol.
**** If he was trying to talk you into filming a threeway between he and both of your wives, I'd agree but end up only filming the women.
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If T.O. brings what he's capable of, Reed makes the Pro-Bowl this year. He's a natural slot/posession receiver. I beleive he'll have a Wes Welkerish campaign in '09.
He's a good posession receiver, but lets not get carried away. He doesn't have the speed that Welker does. He was a beast at Yards After Catch in college, but that hasn't translated thus far.
He's a very good blocker too, but I don't think that will translate to a ProBowl spot.
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The only part of anything that Fred Jackson is better at than Lynch is staying out of trouble off of the field. Having a wife and kids, is probably a good part of the reason why Jackson has reached a level of maturity that Lynch can't get close to yet. As far as producing on the field, whether running or catching, Jackson doesn't compare to Lynch at this point.
I disagree. Last year Jackson found and hit the hole much better than Lynch in my opinion.
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As luck would have it, the Canadian dollar is trading at 17% less than it was 12 months ago too.
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Wow, that puts it in perspective. I guess they weren't exactly lights out, like suggested. Still very solid, though.
In recent memory I'd have to say that the 96 Ravens and 95 Bucs did pretty well.
96 Ravens took Ogden in Rd 1 and Ray Lewis in Rd 2. The Ravens seem to always draft well.
95 Bucs took Sapp in Rd 1 and traded up to take Brooks in the first two.
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I'm not interested in helping them get a QB... and I want to avoid Cushing like the plague.
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Lets not forget that the Bills had 16 picks that season. They had two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, two 3rd round picks, and two 4th round picks.
1985
Rnd Name College Note
1 Bruce Smith Virginia Tech
1 Derrick Burroughs Memphis State
2 Mark Traynowicz Nebraska
2 Chris Burkett Jackson State
3 Frank Reich Maryland
3 Hal Garner Utah State
4 Andre Reed Kutztown (PA)
4 Dale Hellestrae Southern Methodist
5 Jimmy Teal Texas A&M
6 Mike Hamby Utah State
7 Ron Pitts UCLA
8 Jacque Robinson Washington
9 Glenn Jones Norfolk State
10 Chris Babyar Illinois
11 James Seawright South Carolina
12 Paul Woodside West Virginia
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In 2006 he played in 16 games, with 4 starts and only one reception for 1 yard. Obviously there's no telling what might have been... but I think there was every indication that his pass catching abilities were not likely to be showcased. That's not even Robert Royal production.
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Most hated is reserved for Mike Williams.
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How's Eric Crouch doing these days?
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For what it's worth, I flew from LAX to Atlanta last week, and Takeo Spikes sat behind me.
He was friendly, but he didn't offer any draft insight. My wife thought his shirt looked "bedazzled".
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Let's not forget that 23 teams passed on him before he was selected, including the Seattle Seahawks who drafted Dan McGwire (Mark's Brother) 8 picks earlier... and he only started 5 games as a pro.
The Raiders thought they were drafting Ivan Drago, believing that the boy was bred to be an NFL QB. He had shown to be immature in college with a coccaine bust, spats with his coach, skipping classes etc.
In reality, he wasn't even the biggest bust of his draft. Bruce Pickens CB, drafted #3 only had 9 career starts, 2 interceptions and was out of the league in 4 years. Then there was Huey Richardson, LB, selected 15th by the Steelers... never recording an NFL start and out of the league in 3 years. Stan Thomas, Tackle at 22 by the Bears, recording seven starts in four years.
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Orakpo: The Best at his position + Our biggest need = No Brainer.
For some reason I don't think we're going to be left with choices like this though.
MAYBIN VS FREENEY
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Freeney's combine results per ESPN.com
2002: Dwight Freeney, Syracuse -- Colts (1st round, No. 11 overall)
Freeney is a great example of how an experienced general manager can sift through the combine and find gold. He is not prototypical in all of the measurables. He is not small, but he is short (6-1). However, the Colts realized a 4.48 40-yard dash time, 37-inch vertical leap and 28 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press were terrific numbers for a 266-pound man. Because of his combine workout, Freeney skyrocketed to the 11th pick and has been a standout for the Colts.
Profootballweekly.com indicated prior to the draft that he had run a 4.42 (unofficial).