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I'd prefer Calvin Pace. Not nearly the pass rusher that Hardy is, but he can split snaps with Manny and acquit himself in all phases of defense until Shaq is healthy
I think a key feature of whoever is brought in would be, they have to know Rex's system for it to work, or they have to be so smart and focused as a football player that they can pick it up instantly.
Calvin Pace spent how long playing for Rex? If he has anything left, he'd be a thought.
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Why let facts get in the way of the nattering nabob's negative narrative?
If that is true, then explain why Ryan attempted to incorporate some of Schwartz's concepts in the Bills D in 2015? People just keep repeating the same lies as facts. Here we go again with the usual suspect spewing untruths.
I don't want to hijack the thread, but IMO Rex incorporating some of Schwartz's concepts is not the same as Rex matching his D to the strengths of the players. Part of what made the D effective for Schwartz was simple play calls with minimal options, enabling them to react quickly and play fast. Putting in a Schwartz formation occasionally as part of a complex defensive plan with complex terminology and multiple substitutions before the snap is the "fit the scheme to the players" equivalent of putting chicken in a lemon chiffon pie to claim you're serving a healthy dessert. I suppose it adds nourishment, but it's not really a substantive effort at "clean eating"
At the time of the draft, had the Bills said Lawson was going to immediately get surgery, would that make this easier for some of you?
Yes. It's the contrast between Whaley happily lauding our draft as providing 3 day one starters, and the news that now one of them will miss significant time (whatever that time window is, Day 1 seems to be off the table) that's heartbreaking to me. It's mutter mutter mutter Bills can't have nice things mutter one more damn year. And I'm generally of a positive bent.
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It was reported, prior to the departure of the now-Jacksonville Jaguars OL coach, that he and Whaley wanted to see changes in the Bills training staff, feeling that they were too "old school" and using outdated techniques.
The last couple years, it has seemed as though the Bills have been plagued by unusual numbers of injuries and worse, re-injuries as they bring players back.
The medical staff "cleared" 2014 2nd round draft pick Kouandjio despite reports he had an arthritic knee. The team has been coy about it, but there has been talk of a condition that must be "managed", and while he came into last seasons camp strong, he faded. One possibility would be a condition that healed up over the off season but flared again with use/overuse.
The medical staff "cleared" this year's 1st round draft pick Shaq Lawson, who had reports of a shoulder injury that would require surgery. Now he's had surgery.
In public, Whaley reports he "has full confidence" in our medical staff, but if Lawson can go from "able to play through a season" to "needs immediate surgery" with one swim move in a non-contact drill, is that confidence deserved?
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Would rather have this guy over Cardale Jones, thats for dam sure.
Why?
As has been correctly pointed out in the Fitzstandoff, one reason Osweiler got the big bucks from Houston is that they're paying for potential. Cardale Jones was drafted for potential.
Mettenberger has played enough that GMs around the league have a pretty exact idea what they're getting, and it isn't pretty.
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Wonder how much these aging field turf surfaces are contributing to these types of injuries.
Note that the Bills are the only team in the NFL to use the A-Turf Titan field turf product. "A-Turf" is a company based in Cheektowaga, NY.
Buffalo likes to draft guys out of the SEC, where just about all the surfaces are grass. That said, the artificial surfaces in the NFL are much more sticky than natural grass. I'm not surprised to see these guys pulling up lame at the Ralph as often as they do. That TD catch Sammy had last season, nobody around him, but his foot stuck to the turf and he suffered a severe injury. That injury wouldn't have happened on grass.
Seriously, if the player's association cared about their members careers, what they'd go after is turf. Linemen hate it. It's just nasty, nasty stuff. These days with ground heaters and retractable roofs and so on teams could do a lot better job maintaining natural grass fields even in northern climates.
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Best case is that something minor got seriously aggravated in the last week.
Worst case is that the Bills medical staff is full of idiots.
Not a good look for the team.
Actually, wouldn't the worst case be something minor got seriously aggravated in the last week, AND the Bills medical staff is full of idiots?
If that's the argument, why not take Jack?
Maybe they had Jack graded lower than Lawson, with fit for Rex's scheme factored in?
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So in the Ty Dunne article, it says this happened a month ago. That's actually good news, since the time table for returning from this kind of fracture is 8-12 weeks. So if it happened a month ago, Sammy could be back by training camp though they'll probably bring him on slowly. (This could explain why he wasn't in any hurry to show up for voluntary OTA though)
What I'm more upset with is the Shaq Lawson shoulder thing. Schefter is FOS per Lawson and the Bills medical staff 100% cleared him per Whaley. Now he needs surgery? With hindsight, poor medical choices might be involved in the Cyrus Kouandijo thing since the reason he fell in the draft was supposed to be bad knees, but the Bills medical staff cleared him. Bad knees can make a guy into a waist-bender and cause other technical problems.
WTF, do the Bills need to overhaul their medical staff the way they cleaned house on the scouting staff a few years back?
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Ok give me 5 back up qbs with more touchdowns, wins, and higher completion percentage and I will never ride the EJ horse in public ever againLook at this nonsense from last summer
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000501986/article/ranking-backup-qbs-from-no-1-to-32
That's pretty funny, actually. If ever there was a piece demonstrating Whaley's comments that media pundits don't have accountability, that would be high on the list.
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If Mett was worth anything, there's no way he gets cut in favor of Matt FN Cassel when you consider how young he is and how inexpensive he would have been to the Titans.
I'm not sure that's correct. The Titans have Mariota filling the "quarterback of the future" niche. They have Alex Tanney filling the "cheap young wild card who might be something someday" slot. And they have Matt Cassel filling the "veteran mentor backup" niche.
That kind of leaves Mettenberger as the "odd man out", but I don't think he's competing with Cassel, he's competing with Tanney.
What it might say is they think Tanney >> Mettenberger. Or, it could be a courtesy thing - maybe they think Tanney is cheaper and Mettenberger deserves a shot to catch on elsewhere. Or maybe they can PS Tanney but they can't PS Mettenberger, PS rules still make my head hurt.
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its that it even comes up in conversation. martin should dismiss it if he cannot say anything good about it. of course, this is all due to having the right handlers and training with pr. letting something get to you - and likely it would if you lost out on millions - is human.
I don't think it "came up in conversation", Martin was specifically asked about the Dolphins and Incognito. If he dismisses it instead of answering the question, make no mistake the media will make a sound bite of that too. Some of what Martin said, he could have avoided with better PR coaching to avoid saying stuff that can generate controversial soundbites, I agree. I don't think he's trying to be a public figure so paying for PR coaching is probably not on his radar.
Your implication at the end is that Martin lost out on millions due to Incognito - is that what you intend? Because I don't think that's right and I hope Martin is self-aware enough not to believe it. Martin lost out on millions because 1) he needed back surgery and chose to retire rather than let the team call the shots on whether he should play through it/IR etc 2) he's just not a very good football player
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You are a neanderthal.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Why some of my best friends....
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what does that have to do with the topic? why attempt to satirize depression. i played along..time to end the gig now?
Wait, Barbarian didn't satirize depression or anything, just shared his own experience.
I had clinical depression for a year and a half and it was the worst nightmare ever, being sad and crying for no reason was very frustrating but I refused to be defeated by some chemicals in my brain not working right. I kept telling my self to get over it and ignore the demons and I eventually got back to normal.
I'm glad you were able to recover with self-talk. That's great. That said, for some that's not enough, it takes some combination of drugs & therapy, that's great too. As we learn more about neurochemistry I think (personal hunch) we'll learn that depression is sort of like "cancer", it's not a single disease but a host of different imbalances producing similar end symptoms, so one size treatment just doesn't work.
but but but years ago when myself, robs house, jauronimo and others were calling him a kitty and saying this was blown out of proportion and not all ritchie we were scolded, told we were insensitive, etc.
one particular member called me more or less a neanderthal, not with the times and was unsurprised i'd have such a viewpoint.
hey, look. we were right. martin is a kitty.
Boyst, SMH here. I don't see how this produces one iota more or less evidence supporting your "Martin is a kitty" view. He may be, he may not be, but in the present instance he was asked a question by a reporter and he answered.
Please don't join those being short-haired around by media sound bites out of context, you can do better.
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Hey Martin, we don't care either, Sack up buddy it's football which is why you are no longer in the league
Just shows how a person can be misled - I thought he was no longer in the league because he needed back surgery and retired.
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The guy will be a star in the NFL . Pads not An issue, the guy is like 6 ft 7 or so. Fast and big are good
? 6'4", 295 lbs?
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I saw a terrific leader on the field with David Garrard... He also posessed a similar skill set to ALL our current QB's... Strong-armed, Mobile and Athletic... TWO things impressed me most about Garrard... One was his incredible field vision... The guy made fabulous throws, and extended plays on a rather routine basis... Even with the miserable O-lines he had at spots in his carreer...
The second thing I like about Garrard was that he did not shrink away in big games.. He typically played the Colts tough, and was a headache to contain even for good defenses... Upon retirement, Garrard was actually offered a coaching internship with the Jets, who wanted him in position where he could mentor Geno... This, by the way, happened under Dave Lee's tenure with NYJ.
Bottom line: The insight of someone who actually played, and succeeded at the position can't be substituted. Not even with the best of coaches... As important as footwork is, It's also critical for rookies to grasp thought process, and preparation... I've never seen a superbowl won purely on great mechanics.
As far as Lee goes, I'm not buying in... There's just very little evidence of him being able to deliver a high-grade product at QB... After 39 years of coaching, there should be... And YES, as the OC of the 2011 Ole Mis Rebels, he's responsible for them being outscored 110 to 13 in their final 3 games... Let him stay, if you want... But bring in Garrard, as a vet these kids can actually learn from.
So Garrard was a good QB, a gamer. I agree, he was a good QB, I thought he was underrated as a QB and it was tough luck to have his career end with injuries. But that's not evidence that he'd be a good or great teacher/mentor/coach.
That Garrard was offered a coaching internship, is evidence of promise, though apparently he didn't take it? which would be evidence that he's not interested in coaching. And interest/dedication is the first prerequisite. So if Garrard doesn't have interest, there would be little point to "bringing him in"
I hear you on "not buying in" to Lee and little evidence. As I said earlier, I have a level of skepticism about him based on my perception that Fitz regressed under Lee's tutelage. But your original contention was that he was a "HORRIBLE" QB coach. What is your evidence for the HORROR?
"Let him stay, if you want".....what I want is immaterial. He's Rex's boy and Rex seems loyal to his boys.
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I think this line of thought often gets lost in the typical post draft exuberance. People see nothing but upside as they learn about the players their team drafted and get emotionally attached to them. But the draft usually progresses from getting guys you expect to help in major roles to guys you expect to help in lesser roles to guys you don't count on, but who have traits that could push them into one of the first two categories. The 4th round is not a bad place to get a player from that second category and situational pass rushers on the DL are important to every team.
? Wasn't Adolphus Washington our 3rd round pick? Cardale Jones in the 4th?
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Have any other players come out during/after their playing career and claimed they were bullied by a teammate or teammates?
I think the closest would be Raiders ST/3rd string TE Marcus Williams, who was assaulted and seriously injured by Bill Romanowski in 2003 and "broke the code" by suing him after Romanowski was fined 1 game check by the NFL for the incident. Romanowski was cut, ostensibly due to multiple concussions.
Williams won the lawsuit for a relatively small sum of money (1 year salary + medical expenses), but never played again.
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"Right Now I think Washington is a situational pass rusher with limited upside and only a small chance of ever developing into a full time starter. His technique and pad level are poor, he lacks significant anchor at the line of scrimmage, and his hand usage is really disappointing for a player with his experience. The combine revealed that Washington is not the elite athlete we hoped he was, as the lineman tested in the 20th percentile in every athletic exercise except the 40 yard dash."
This guy seems to be in love with the PJ Olympics for evaluating a player. I don't watch enough college football to have any worthwhile opinion on the critique of his technique and his pad level.
It does seem clear he's not a prototypical NT, which is one thing I personally thought Rex needed/wanted.
I don't see the logic when we REALLY need a RT and there were better DT's available. I bet Zimmer ends ups better than him.
Whatever the fluff about Rex's scheme may be, it seems most closely to align with a 3-4, in which case, wouldn't it be a NT not a RT that we need? And it seems clear that this guy is NOT a NT.
But Rex has his own ideas about what he needs, and was clearly given priority to acquire them. If the D lays an egg again this year, it will be on the Ryan Bros.
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Dude, be fair. The guy was being interviewed. The interviewer asked the question. The linked article above simply excerpts a portion of the interview to be controversial and manipulate the reader.
(...)I like how Incognito plays and what he's done with the Bills and what he seems to have changed and made of himself, but it really isn't necessary to deny the bad behavior in his past or paint them as all the fault of "headcase Martin" in order to be a fan of Ritchie today. Incognito had a track record as a headcase stretching back to college and the team that drafted him (Rams. Reference Martz screaming on the sidelines "what is wrong with that F***er?").
Very thoughtful post, Hopeful.
I took no offense to the article or Martins words.
And having read quite a bit on Richie's re making of himself I have become a pretty big Fan of his.
some one is going to ask Cogs about this article. Lets hope he stays on the high road.
Thanks, and yep, agree on all points. I have become a fan of Richie for his play and for his work confronting his stuff and trying to change, and I hope he does stay on the high road, because there's really no reason for him to go off: "That was then, this is now, I'm just trying to work hard and help our team win, Move On" is all that needs to be said.
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I agree with these takes, add to number 2 that the coaching staff directed Ritchie to 'toughen Martin up.' The Phins bear a great deal of responsibility for this whole affair
This, I believe, is a missing piece often neglected. My personal opinion is that Incognito was made into a fall guy for the Dolphins organizational decisions and failure. Even if you take the viewpoint that the locker room is its own world with its own rules, IMO the Dolphins had a responsibility to maintain a decent working environment for their staff (trainers etc) and for volunteers involved with their "brand" (eg at charity tournament featuring Dolphins players). The Dolphins at best enabled and at worst encouraged/supported Incognito and then hung him out to dry.
i really wasnt or dont, just my observation .
Sorry, Dwight, but when you speculate that Martin is "doing it to bait Incognito" when the original article doesn't support that view at all, it does really seem like you're being manipulated by media click bait (the provocative out of context quote that's making the rounds). Again, I don't want to seem singling you out because there's a lot of it around. You're certainly entitled to your personal opinion of Martin, too, that's no the issue I'm trying to highlight.
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i thought about that also upon reading this yesterday, my first thought was that richie may have a difficult time restraining himself,and hopefully will. but if a fragile jackass like martin is doing this to bait richie, i hope richie stays above it.
If "Richie has a difficult time restraining himself" he hasn't learned as much from all the treatment/counseling he voluntarily undertook as one hopes.
There is nothing in the original article that would support the idea that Martin is "doing this to bait Richie". He was being interviewed at a volunteer school appearance and asked about his time with the Dolphins and about Incognito, as any on-the-ball-reporter would ask, and his actual answer is way more nuanced than the click-bait excerpt that is making the rounds.
As an aside, why do people (not wanting to pick on you, Dwight) allow themselves to be so easily manipulated by media sound bites?
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a lot of the texts were just Wayans brothers style humor. This guy is trying to get speaking fees and a book out of it
If "this guy" is Martin, what evidence do you have to support the "speaking fees/book" idea? He's volunteering to talk to schoolkids about social isolation, bullying, and how there's hope for kids who are struggling with these things.
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Martin is probably a bit disgusted that Richie was able to get back into the league and is now doing well for himself again. He on the other hand is now out of the league and the perception of him is that of being a soft, whistle-blower who couldn't take what goes on in a normal NFL locker room. I've been in a factory\manufacturing environment pretty much my whole adult life. People say things all the time. You either learn to be become quick witted and dish it out just as fast as they try to give it to you or you let them get under your skin. If at any point they see it is getting under your skin they will try to ride you that much more. Some people just aren't built for it. They can't take it.
If you go read the original article, I don't think that's the case at all. It's really not about Incognito at all until the reporter asks.
Keep in mind that Martin has opportunities that Incognito does not including a Stanford degree and the means/opportunity to attend law school if he chooses. He also had the opportunity to play for two contending football teams (49ers and Panthers) - why would that be if the "perception of him is of being a soft whistle blower who couldn't take what goes on in a normal NFL locker room"?
This thread is a microcosm of the entire Incognito-Martin event: people taking comments out of context, people speaking their minds and others taking moral high ground. Richie has turned a corner and some here can't stop talking about his words and texts (banter which Martin participated in voluntarily for months giving back as much as he took). His comments in this article are fine: basically saying "I don't care about Richie or what he is doing now". Maybe that is the approach he should have used when he was playing football.
Fair enough. Thing is, when you're charged with working very closely with someone, building a close relationship and taking feedback from them, "I don't care about you and what you say" is not very practical. You have to deal with it one way or another.
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Dude, be fair. The guy was being interviewed. The interviewer asked the question.
The linked article above simply excerpts a portion of the interview to be controversial and manipulate the reader.
For your own benefit, you might consider to learn to be less easy to manipulate by media shills!
Here's the original article http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/the-quiet-redemption-of-jonathan-martin
He is being sought out and interviewed by a reporter for his work talking to school children about bullying. He is not approaching the media seeking an interview on the topic of the Dolphins or Cog. He doesn't even mention Incognito or refer by name to the "player who called him the N word to his face" until he is specifically asked by the reporter about the Dolphins and about Incognito, and his answer is much more nuanced than the excerpted quote:
While Martin thinks about the past and how it could be different, he won’t reach back and mess with it. He said he hasn’t tried to speak to Richie Incognito, one of the former Dolphins who was a main culprit in the bullying scandal.
“That’s another thing that’s convoluted,” Martin said after a pause and a heavy sigh. “Like I said in the Wells report, and like I’ve said before, at a certain level we were friends. We hung out. That’s fact. He’s got his own issues like I had issues with depression related to dealing with all their BS, but I don’t even know if Richie wants to be a bad person. Part of me thinks he just is because he’s allowed to be in the realm he occupies. It’s weird because we still have mutual friends. I have no desire to ever see or talk to him. I’ll get nothing from it. That’s in the past. I don’t know what his thoughts are and I don’t really care, honestly.”
Independent of Martin and what you think of him, some of Incognito's documented, factual behavior while with the Dolphins was IMO indefensible. This would include ringleading the harassment of an Assistant Trainer of Asian descent ( a relatively poorly paid and powerless position in a football team) and a female volunteer at a charity golf tournament. Most parents would say "those are bad and not how I want my kids to behave". Neither of these people fall within the realm of locker room banter with teammates by any stretch. It's also documented and admitted by Incognito that "he's got his own issues" with anger and depression, for which, to his very great credit, he has sought legitimate treatment and not the "country club center" variety either.
In the context of the article, it seems fairly clear to me that Martin is obliquely putting some blame on the Dolphins ("the realm he occupies") for having enabled Incognito:
Some may say that Martin wasn’t tough enough to play football and that players have to be bullies in order to survive such a violent sport. To that, Martin brought up his experience playing Stanford football. He said during his time there, everyone respected one another off the field.
“I’ve seen it first hand. It doesn’t need to be the way that it was in Miami,” Martin said. “People will put NFL players on a pedestal, but they’re still people. There’s all kinds of different personalities.
I like how Incognito plays and what he's done with the Bills and what he seems to have changed and made of himself, but it really isn't necessary to deny the bad behavior in his past or paint them as all the fault of "headcase Martin" in order to be a fan of Ritchie today. Incognito had a track record as a headcase stretching back to college and the team that drafted him (Rams. Reference Martz screaming on the sidelines "what is wrong with that F***er?").
Do the Bills Need New Medical Staff/Trainers?
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I could be wrong, but here's my understanding of roles and responsibilities:
1) strength and conditioning staff - provide players with off-season workouts and oversee OTA, training camp, and in season workouts customized for player position and individual player goals
2) medical staff - diagnose and treat injuries and work with training staff to come up with a rehabilitation plan and timeline
3) training staff - rehabilitate and treat injuries and chronic conditions
So if injuries/conditions of prospective draftees are being missed or under-diagnosed, that would seem to be on the medical staff?
But if injured players are being mis-handled or brought back too soon, that would be on both medical staff and training staff?
Of course one could look at S&C as are they providing the best pro-active conditioning and training to prevent injuries