Thurman#1

We might easily go CB anywhere in the draft. But I'm betting that we bring in a mid-level guy in FA, before the draft.

Yes, the cap is fake. Also credit cards. You don't really have to pay them back at all.

Yeah, Tyrod as your #2 is good news.

I'm hoping. He'll have an awful lot to prove, but I suppose it could happen. I'm not expecting anything, though.

4.4 YPC. He's absolutely good. On a team that had major OL problems his rookie year. There's an argument he's not great, certainly. But he's good. Thing is, they're a passing team. They didn't need a great back and must be kicking themselves for not bringing in an OL, a pass rusher opposite Clark that year or a safety. All areas they concentrated on in 2021's offseason, any of which could have been addressed with a really solid guy in place of Edwards-Helaire. Not claiming he's elite. But average? Nah, don't think so. He's good.

Puh-leeze. You said, "look how the Steelers benefitted by taking a good back in the first round." That's what YOU said, not me. And the Steelers "benefitted" by going from the 25th best offense to 23rd. They "benefitted" by going all the way from 12-4 in 2020 to 9-7-1 in 2021. That is a microscopic benefit. Which makes the point. Don't pick an RB in the first when you have a lot of holes and are in a passing league. You also seem to have some idea somewhere that I said that somebody (McKissic? Singletary? Somebody else?) is better than the Steelers guy. If you could real quick point out where i said that, I know I'd be thrilled. I don't think I did say that or anything like it. I did try to point out that picking an RB in the first when you have Allen on your team, are going to pass much more than you run, and already have a solid back from the 3rd round in Singletary ... is bad strategy. As would bringing in an expensive FA RB. There are better places to spend the money, places that give you more benefit. And as for what your whole last paragraph, means or refers to, I have zero clue. I promise to read a bit more if you promise to write something with a clear apparent meaning. What stats are you talking about? You're saying I'm not the only one who can interpret yardage and stats and then not interpreting a single one. Completely unclear, the whole paragraph.

Um, yeah, that's actually my point. The guy I replied to made as if to say look at what great things happened when the Steelers drafted a runner. And nothing great happened to them. Their offense still sucked. Agreed he's a very fine runner. But when you have a 1st round pick and a lot of holes, don't go for the RB in the 1st, even if he's really good. Same with the Chiefs. Edwards-Helaire is a good back, but he just didn't make a lot of difference there.

Yeah, I agree. All three get huge money, and good on them for it. But the Mahomes/Rodgers ones have them playing desperately needy prima donnas. Whereas the Mayfield ones crack me up.

Beane has gotten most of it right. Certainly had a few mis-steps, as will anyone, but overall he's done very well. Which is a large reason we're one of the best rosters in the league. Agreed that they did a great job choosing Allen, but also in supporting him with an excellent group. As for the O.P. I take Mayfield at his word when he says, "No hidden meanings." IMO he's just thanking people amid a ton of uncertainty. Not a big Mayfield fan, but this seems OK to me.

You have a point. I should reconsider!!

In your world, 4.3 and 4.4 YPC the last two years is paltry? You live in kind of a weird world. When given a chance to run, he's been very productive. And what makes him a "limited third down type guy"? The fact that he's a very successful third down guy? Who has been quite productive when asked to run and is an excellent pass blocker? "5 years of non production from the backs under Mcd / Beane seems like it' should be time to try something a little different," you say? Good lord, that is a misguided take. The running game has had a lot of production in five years. Singletary's never had a year where he averaged less than 4.4 yards a carry. And the offense has been top three the last two years. And you figuret that's time for a change? Yeah, well first, bringing in McKissic is a change, and as for larger changes, we have other far more urgent priorities. Oh, and yeah, the Steelers really benefitted from drafting an RB early. They benefitted so much they vaulted down to become the 23rd best offense in the league!! Yeah, baby, our offense really has to learn to be more like that 23rd best Steelers group!!

And yet Terry McLaurin did just fine with that lame quarterbacking. You don't catch passes because of lame quarterbacking. You catch passes because the quarterback did his job. Very true the QBs there aren't great, but that doesn't make what the receivers there did less impressive. More impressive, if anything. They brought him here because there will be plenty of the same kind of opportunities, when the rush gets there fast, when everyone's covered, when they're going on rhythm, etc. The question is whether he was productive, whether he made life easier for the QB. McKissic did, and he'll do the same thing an awful lot for Allen most likely. This is a really nice little move.

SEA 18 YSCRM (Yards from Scrimmage) SEA 453 YSCRM SEA 8 YSCRM DET 438 YSCRM WAS 954 YSCRM WAS 609 YSCRM (in 11 games) Of course he got more money in this contract. Seattle didn't use him. In his 4th year, Detroit used him a bit. Washington finally showed how to use him. He's really productive and seems likely to fit in beautifully here.

Total nonsense. If that's what it took to win Super Bowls nobody would every have won one. Nobody has high end talent at all positions. Nobody.

Me likey. And the stats aren't bad at all. 2020 85 carries for 365 yards, 4.3 YPC, plus 80 receptions for 589 yards. That's 954 yards from scrimmage. 3 TDs 2021 (11 games) 48 carries for 212 yards, 4.4 YPC, plus 43 receptions for 397 yards. That's 609 yards from scrimmage in 11 games. 4 TDs. This guy is a really good 3rd down back type.

It really isn't. The team that won the most championships recently, the Pats, have never given especially big bonuses. The Bills had a terrific roster the last two years. They have a good enough group to compete right now. It's fair enough that you want to go that way. But the Pegulas don't have any requirement to do so. And it wouldn't go any further to show they wanted a championship if they did. Their consistent improvement the last 3 or 4 years has already showed it. I'm no hockey fan, but even the Sabres look like they might be starting to come around.

Yup. Can't answer a single one of my points. We all see what you're doing here. "Wah! Wah! I hate Tremaine Edmunds! And I hate the mean mean wewentwess person! Wah!" Sad, but understandable for an argumentless person. And folks, I guess we have the answer to my question in red. He couldn't answer it, so he just ignored it.

It's a legit concern. Jones missed all but five games of the 2020 season. And his sacks total in 2021, while very good, was his lowest since 2014. Worth worrying about. And the money is another real concern. If they want him, I wouldn't mind at all, but I would feel a bit of concern about it.

I see. So, I can stop my crusade. But you can't stop yours. But it's me who's relentless? Aw, oo poow widdle boy. Yup. Yet more of your complete abdication of responsibility. It's everyone's fault but yours. If only the mean mean poster would leave poor widdle innocent oo alone. Yes, I think we all feel so sorry for you. Did the wewentwess mean poster hurt oo iddle feewings? The discussion was about Edmunds, you say? Was it? Well, no, you're wrong as usual. Take a look at the title. The discussion was about Chandler Jones. That doesn't mean that everything said in the discussion after that was about Chandler Jones and that every other person mentioned was thus being compared to Chandler Jones. It doesn't mean that any more than because you our overall discussion. I wasn't comparing Deion Sanders to Chandler Jones anymore than I was comparing Deion Sanders to Edmunds. By the way apples are delicious. And right there, by mentioning apples in a discussion of Chandler Jones I've compared apples to Chandler Jones by your magnificently clueless argument. I was using Sanders to destroy your utterly block-headed argument that prevented actions couldn't be used to help evaluate performance. Sanders is indeed a very obvious example, showing why your argument there was pure dumbage. That's why I used him. Of course I used a good example. That's actully kind of the point of using examples to destroy pathetic arguments. So, one more time, where are the words, the words I used to compare Deion and Tremaine. That's all you have to do. Just show the words. "Like," maybe? "Similar to," possibly? That's all you have to do to prove me wrong. Show the place where I compared Deion and Tremaine? Folks, how do you think he's going to answer this? Ya think more insistence that anything in the same discussion is automatically a comparison? That's my guess. Oh, and yes, it is indeed thread-napping to join a thread about a DE which the original poster was interested in discussing, and to then leave exactly one sentence within which feel the desperate compulsion to further scapegoat a guy which a certain group of sad folks are constantly grabbing the pitchforks for. One sentence and you felt the need again to work on changing the subject with your usual "Wah, wah, wah, mommy I don't like him."

I would have zero interest in saying anything that was purely to him, honestly. The fun for me is in pointing out ridiculousness for everyone to see. Perfectly willing, though, to honor the Chandler Jones focus of this thread. It ain't me who threadnaps so relentlessly on this subject [EDIT: nor just him, but it's constant overall with one group of folks]. As for continuation, though, there are two of us responsible, despite the belief of one of us that it's only me.

No. That is simply bull#### you're talking there. Flat-out, pure 100% crap. Yes, I did use Deion as an example of a player who makes impact plays on the field that aren't visible. No, I did not "comparing Sanders' impact to Edmunds," and you know it. Pure crap there. To repeat, you said, " “Ignoring all the impact plays that don’t happen” is quite possibly the most baseless argument I’ve ever heard one use to defend a player. It’s an argument built on supposition and assumption." I used the example of Deion to show that your argument wasn't just wrong, but stupid. Deion is probably the single most obvious example of a guy who proves that plays that don't happen can be huge. There were a lot of times when nobody threw near Deion, and yet all those plays that never happened were huge. No mention of Deion and Tremaine in the same sentence. Not even any mention of Deion and Tremaine in the same paragraph. Only use of Deion to attack your argument. Again, the first person to compare the two was you, when you created your sad little straw man argument there. You said it, then were so happy about the idea that you'd created that you didn't just use it talking to me that you boasted about your kindness in not using my name in an early post about it, and then said I must be old not to remember that I'd made an argument I'd never made, an argument created entirely by you. And I do have to crack up with you. I'm the one who "cracks at you," apparently? You're just an innocent little sweet thing, not insulting me for possibly being old, not consistently ? Yeah, again, dumb argument. Both of us are involved here. And it ain't a coincidence that that poster told you to drop it, but not me. You're the one who leapt in with the first post of the thread, so desperate to insult Edmunds that you felt it was worth the rudeness of thread-napping. Oh, and yet more classic stuff in your post here. "This wasn’t an Edmunds thread until you made it such, despite one thing I said in a single post." Yeah, um, that's not how thread-napping works, dude. Nor any form of rudeness in conversation. The first guy who changes the subject doesn't to say the guy who answered his rudeness is the one at fault. You brought the whole thing up. And it's something you and yours do with tremendous consistency. Some guy posts a thread on something he wants to talk about, and you or someone like you immediately darts in to change the subject to moan and whinge about Edmunds. Just like you did here. With such desperate eagerness that you were in whining and moaning about your feelings about Edmunds 6 minutes after the OP thought he'd start a conversation about Chandler Jones. You won't accept responsibility for thread-napping. And you say it's only me and apparently not you who's cracking back. Two posts and we can see an absolute inability to accept even partial responsibility, from the guy who first thread-napped. Pitiful.

The guy has played four years and only made about $5M. Before taxes. Of course he's in it for the money. Nearly everyone is for the second contract. And being with Trevor is not a bad idea moving forward. They'll probably be awful this year. Looking forward, though, who knows.

Amusing. They already paid him $13.2M.

Lotta rumors that he might retire. Tompsett on Cover 1, for one. Not that he is retiring, but that he's rumored to be considering it. I doubt they are absolutely counting on him.

Because other factors in the deal might fall into place better. There are a lot of other factors. Money, guaranteed money, whether or not they are rebuilding, length of contract, which guy would be easier/harder to trade and which would bring in more trade capital if they're going to draft a QB next year. On and on, really. You're certainly right that Cousins is better, but most decisions are a lot more complex than that. Doesn't that just show that his team is more often behind than most others?