Thurman#1

No problem, man. Yeah, I try never to rely on A.I. I see them making so many mistakes, with bland confidence. Have a good day.

Yup. Mind you, it was very clear that Allen looked awful the first two or three playoff drives at KC last year. But he came alive and the offense was damn good the rest of the way. The problem was the defense. The D was pretty healthy most of the season but right at the end they had a ton of health issues and they were just not the same last year in the playoff game at KC without the injured group.

They were going to keep Diggs until he forced his way out. Sean didn't like the INTs and turnovers, but he is not and was not stupid. He loved the high numbers and explosive plays.

Jeudy's catch rate last year was 62.1% while Moore's was 59.8%. That difference on the number of catches Moore had is statistically insignificant. It's basically a two-catch difference over the course of a season. Same for the team catch percentage, which was 62.3%, again not significant. And that includes all team receptions, including RBs and TEs, who generally catch at higher rates because they're getting easier passes. Looking at WRs only, Moore was 2nd highest on the team among WRs with more than three targets. Moore's longest catch that year was 44 yards, and only Jeudy had a longer one among all pass catchers on that team. In 2023 the team catch percentage for all positions was 59.5% while Moore's was 56.7%, and he had the 2nd highest catch % on the team that year, second to David Bell at 60.9% on 14 catches, though Amari Cooper was at 56.3% and he was targeted with much longer Y/A than was Moore. Moore's longest was 42 yards. This is his fifth year and his longest catch each year was 62, 42, 42, 44 and this year 31 so far. He's been targeted long before, with some success as the consistency of long plays shows. In his second year, with the Jets, catching passes from Zach Wilson, Flacco and Mike White he had the highest catch % among WRs with ten catches or more, ahead of rookie Garrett Wilson by less than 1%. As a rookie, Crowder and Berrios were way ahead of everyone else in catch %, while the rest of those with ten catches or more were all within 3% of each other. Here's his rookie highlights. If I've counted correctly there are 7 plays of 20 yards or more, including 5 with more than 20 air yards. Here's last year from Cleveland. Four plays over 20, including two with over 20 air yards, including a beautiful long TD caught deep in the corner of the end zone that went about 35 yards in the air. You don't see him doing pure bombs. But he does do long routes. Effectively. Ick. You made me look at Cleveland and Jets numbers.

This is my guess. I don't see Dorian being able to handle the "play like a lineman" part of the Hoecht role. But Solomon yesterday did seem to maybe have the "quick as a linebacker" abilities. But it may have been more surprise than ability for Solomon the other day. We'll see. You have to be a really special guy. Not sure it's on the team at all.

Nice!!

Yeah, exactly. Noticed the same thing. You don't see too many 217 pound DTs.

It's not publicly traded. So that valuation is an estimation, at best.

Agreed, and very much so. People complain, with some justification, about keeping Shavers out there. The guy blocks very well and very consistently. It all adds up. Mike Gillislee!!!! Wow, that's a blast from the past!!!!

Yeah, but it cost Thurman. Take a look at his year by years Yards Per Attempt stats. 1988 4.3 on 207 carries 1989 4.2 on 298 carries 1990 4.8 on 271 carries 1991 4.9 on 288 carries 1992 4.8 on 312 carries 1993 3.7 on 355 carries 1994 3.8 on 287 carries 1995 3.7 on 267 carries 1996 4.2 (way down to) 154 carries 1997 4.1 on 93 carries 1998 4.2 on 36 carries 1999 4.9 on 28 carries After those first five years with so many carries, he lost a step. Again, he was still very good but not what he'd been. And if you look at his passing stats they show the exact same pattern, his yards and Yards Per Catch nosedived after those first five high mileage years. James Cook is 5'11" and 190 while Thurman was 5'10 206. That's a very significant difference. Thurman, in size, was a very close match to James' brother Dalvin, not to James. And defenders were smaller in Thurman's day.

I hope you are right about that. I'm not convinced, but I definitely hope you are right. Thurman Thomas was also a guy who mostly squirted through things and didn't take big hits. But time took its toll, as it generally does. After those first five years his YPA took a very noticeable dip, and though he was always a very good RB, he wasn't what he'd been in those first five years. I agree that James and Dalvin have different styles, but also different body types. At 5'10, Dalvin is shorter but 15 pounds heavier. James isn't nearly as big and strong. I worry about his wear and tear, but from your keyboard to God's ears.

He is playing sensationally. The question is whether we should keep running him at this pace, and whether his body will hold up under this strain. And whether he can in fact hold up at a pace like this for three or four more years. His brother couldn't, and he is a bigger stronger dude, though with a more bruising style. In any case, the contract they gave James looks like a very good one, even with signing him a year early, which usually implies the team gets a discount. I'm hoping they ease his workload a bit, getting him out of games early whenever possible. Ty Johnson looked pretty good against the Chiefs, maybe if Ray and Ty start to look as solid as they did last year we can do that more. Thurman was an absolute work horse, but he was never really quite as good after those first five years. And Thurman was 15 pounds heavier than James is.

IMO they aren't there yet, except maybe the Chargers. But it's a new group of up and comers, two or three of whom will likely be for real, though not really this year. Except for the Chargers, I think. They can beat anyone on any given day, if they play their best and Herbert is on fire. Yeah, this is a reasonable argument. I don't think the Chiefs lineup is as great anymore as they were the last few years.

Must be hard being so tempted to argue with yourself. Your idea here about trading Oliver, genuinely, it's dead stupid. Clearly you don't get that. But it is.

Van was spectacular, Murph was very good, and Brown is really solid. IMO.