Thurman#1

That's a beautiful dalmatian there. Dawg on, brother!! To repeat, since you already saw this before I edited it: Oh, and Shakir is being target a good eight yards further across the field. He is almost in front of the defender, who at that angle is a ton closer to Khalil than he is to Coleman on the other play. Khalil is on the left hash, with the defender around two yards left of the hash. On Coleman's play, though, Keon is a good two yards outside of the right hash, while the defender is on the left hash. The hashes are 18 and a half feet apart, and the defender is also five yards downfield. Keon is going to have a lot more time than Shakir got. More, Shakir has been forced to flatten his route, he's got a Bills crosser a yard or two downfield of him. Coleman ... um ... does not. Sorry, your idea that these two plays are comparable in this way is just ridiculous.

Yes, yes you are. Heh heh. 😄 I like the GIF.

I see, so a different pass to a different guy on a different play says more about a play than just watching the actual play does? Living in NeverNeverLand must be nice, dude. You're right I don't have to take your word for it. I just look at the actual play. His feet, in your freeze-frame, are equally as far downfield. That does not happen when a guy is running sideways. When a guy is running sideways, if he's running left and his left foot lands on the 30, his right foot will land 8 - 12 inches downfield. If he's running directly cross the field the same thing will happen all the way across. But that's not what's happening. He's running left and his left foot is just as far downfield as his right. That shows that he's running at an angle ... upfield. Shakir's feet on the other hand are not both on the ground, but they indeed look as if when they both are, that bowlegged as he is he'll still have his right leg further downfield than his left. Oh, and Shakir is being target a good eight yards further across the field. He is almost in front of the defender, who at that angle is a ton closer to Khalil than he is to Coleman on the other play. Khalil is on the left hash, with the defender around two yards left of the hash. On Coleman's play, though, Keon is a good two yards outside of the right hash, while the defender is on the left hash. The hashes are 18 and a half feet apart, and the defender is also five yards downfield. Keon is going to have a lot more time than Shakir got. More, Shakir has been forced to flatten his route, he's got a Bills crosser a yard or two downfield of him. Coleman ... um ... does not. Sorry, your idea that these two plays are comparable in this way is just dumb.

If you have an agenda against bad takes, your agenda should preclude your from making this post. Keon simply isn't going horizontal here, you can see that as the play continues, and that's factual, not opinion. His left foot is as far downfield as his right foot in this freeze-frame. Which does not happen if he were going sideways, it only happens if he is pointed at an angle downfield. If Josh gets him the ball at that moment, Coleman catches it and has one or two steps before being tackled and falling forward. Yes, he'll be hit quickly. But it's probably a five yard gain. Early in the season when the offense was humming, Josh was taking those short gains and extending drives. Not so much now. And while that's certainly not the whole reason for it, it's legitimately a part of it.

Neither of those throws would have had to be "miraculous". Good, accurate throws? Yeah. Which is what you expect from elite NFL QBs. In the first, Keon has stacked the guy. Not completely, but effectively, and he's blocked the DB from the whole inside of the field. That's what you want the WR to do. QBs are expected to make throws when the WR stacks the DB, and particularly when you can lead him inside and away from the DB. If Josh throws that not outside, and not straight downfield, but instead over close to the numbers, it's not that difficult a throw, and it's a high percentage chance at a completion. The second was a harder throw, requiring about two to eight feet more distance and even better if he'd put it about a yard or two further outside. Yes, this did require a very good throw. Far from "miraculous," though. Josh makes throws that accurate all the time. Josh and Kincaid for whatever reason just seemed out of phase last year. This year they're reading each others' minds. This seems like a bit of the same problem with Coleman this year.

Well, if "it all" you mean that McDermott says that every player out there has moments like that, and that that does include Coleman, then yeah, that does indeed say it all. To repeat McDermott's exact words .... "There are times just like any player or any performer where it is exactly where it needs to be, and there are times where when it's not, and then we have to address it." So yeah, he does have moments like that. Like every player. Perfection is unattainable. The question is whether Keon is doing this at a higher than normal, concerning percentage of the time. He certainly has, as his benchings attest. But McDermott doesn't address whether that is still a problem. I'm not saying it's not. I'm just saying we don't know, and certainly not from McDermott's words here.

Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott, please.

Um, yes, yes I do. That's what the evidence all shows. Oh, and as for Josh having to say this because he's supportive, please stop with this nonsense. This is the whole deal where people assume any opinion from a star is a lie because the listener doesn't agree with the star. It's just nonsense. The argument goes like this: "He's a teammate, so he has to say something like this. Plus he's disagreeing with me here, so he must be lying." This line of argument, that a fan knows what he really meant and that the fan is a better barometer of what Allen meant than Allen is, it's crap. As a supportive teammate, Allen DID NOT NEED to lie. He just didn't. Off the top of my head, here are ten texts/tweets he could have sent without lying that would have completely filled the bill: Yeah, excited to work with you, Keon! Keon Coleman!! We're gonna put up some serious yards! Psyched!!! Really looking forward to throwing to you, Keon Coleman!! Alright!!!!! Yeah, baby!! See you at camp, Keon! Hey, my new best friend, Keon Coleman!! Keon, this is going to be great!!! Oh, yeah!!! Keon Coleman!! Keon is a big guy!! This will be fun!!! KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEON!!!!!!!!! Looking forward to giving 110% with you, buddy!!! All of those would have been just fine, without lying. This is always the (dumb) argument, that he had to lie to be a good teammate. And it's total bushwah!!! There's a reason he said "You're the guy I wanted." The reason is that he's the guy he wanted. Again, he didn't have to say that. Could've gone a million different ways with no problem. Brandon Beane: "Josh is crazy about the draft process. If I get a call from Josh in the offseason, it's usually him seeing somebody on a highlight, running into somebody, throwing with somebody -- just something to ask me what I think about this guy. He called me at the Senior Bowl (asking) what do I think about a couple of guys there. So he loves it. "He's been in the building the last couple of weeks now that the offseason program's started. So we did give him some guys, we said, 'Hey, sit back with the coaches, y'all watch them together and talk about how you'd use them. I'd like to hear what you see.' And he liked a lot of the guys, he really did. But Keon was one -- I know he liked him a lot, too. And Josh and I didn't speak on Thursday, really. Maybe he stopped by that morning. But that next day, Friday morning, he FaceTimed me. Actually, I was still at home before I headed in here. And he was like, 'What are you thinking?' And I said, 'Well, barring somebody blowing me away, I'm going to take Keon.' And he was pretty pumped." https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-gm-brandon-beane-josh-allen-pretty-pumped-we-drafted-wr-keon-coleman Along with everything else there, he says Keon was one of the guys the coaches specifically showed film of to Josh. And that they knew Josh liked him a lot. And folks are trying to argue that Josh wasn't very likely to have formed opinions of 1st round WR prospects, knowing that was one of the most likely ways for them to go? And again the guy who said he had a source that the Bills were going Coleman (Jordan Schultz) didn't just say that they were picking him, he said that he was Allen's favorite left in the draft.

Ladd wasn't a consideration. They've already got his skills on the team with Shakir. Lots of fans wanted him, and for obvious reasons, but the Bills didn't really have needs there. But yes, Allen said it after the draft, that he'd watched a lot of tape on round one guys that year. And that he'd really liked Coleman a lot. Anyway, this isn't where Allen talked about when he'd watched, but here Josh talks about what he'd liked about Coleman's college tape specifically.

Nah. It's starting to get to be time where you can say he's not looking good. But way too early for final opinions. That's just ridiculous. Hell, Allen missed him when he was open downfield long twice this game. The text that makes your point here is Skurski's. And he edited out some of the most important parts of McDermott's comments specifically to make it look like he was saying something he wasn't quite. Here's the Skurski quote you used, in blue, and what he left out from McDermott in red: "He knows if I'm not satisfied (about it). Just like any player.... It's fair that you're asking about it. I promise you, it gets addressed when it isn't where it needs to be. There are times just like any player or any performer where it is exactly where it needs to be, and there are times where when it's not, and then we have to address it, to get it hopefully where it needs to be. So it's addressed. It's been good at times and other times it can improve for sure." Leaving out the bit about "just like any player," included there TWICE, is misleading of Skurski. Does this refer mostly to whatever he was benched for a couple of weeks ago? Maybe. Maybe not. But it's basically impossible to tell from what we see here.

That's my thought as well. Chiefs would beat them. Not booking it. Not even buying it. I give the Pats a 25% chance at the division and a 25% chance in their first playoff game, whoever it's against.

No problem, man. Yeah, I try never to rely on A.I. I see them making so many mistakes, with bland confidence. Have a good day.

Yup. Mind you, it was very clear that Allen looked awful the first two or three playoff drives at KC last year. But he came alive and the offense was damn good the rest of the way. The problem was the defense. The D was pretty healthy most of the season but right at the end they had a ton of health issues and they were just not the same last year in the playoff game at KC without the injured group.

They were going to keep Diggs until he forced his way out. Sean didn't like the INTs and turnovers, but he is not and was not stupid. He loved the high numbers and explosive plays.

Jeudy's catch rate last year was 62.1% while Moore's was 59.8%. That difference on the number of catches Moore had is statistically insignificant. It's basically a two-catch difference over the course of a season. Same for the team catch percentage, which was 62.3%, again not significant. And that includes all team receptions, including RBs and TEs, who generally catch at higher rates because they're getting easier passes. Looking at WRs only, Moore was 2nd highest on the team among WRs with more than three targets. Moore's longest catch that year was 44 yards, and only Jeudy had a longer one among all pass catchers on that team. In 2023 the team catch percentage for all positions was 59.5% while Moore's was 56.7%, and he had the 2nd highest catch % on the team that year, second to David Bell at 60.9% on 14 catches, though Amari Cooper was at 56.3% and he was targeted with much longer Y/A than was Moore. Moore's longest was 42 yards. This is his fifth year and his longest catch each year was 62, 42, 42, 44 and this year 31 so far. He's been targeted long before, with some success as the consistency of long plays shows. In his second year, with the Jets, catching passes from Zach Wilson, Flacco and Mike White he had the highest catch % among WRs with ten catches or more, ahead of rookie Garrett Wilson by less than 1%. As a rookie, Crowder and Berrios were way ahead of everyone else in catch %, while the rest of those with ten catches or more were all within 3% of each other. Here's his rookie highlights. If I've counted correctly there are 7 plays of 20 yards or more, including 5 with more than 20 air yards. Here's last year from Cleveland. Four plays over 20, including two with over 20 air yards, including a beautiful long TD caught deep in the corner of the end zone that went about 35 yards in the air. You don't see him doing pure bombs. But he does do long routes. Effectively. Ick. You made me look at Cleveland and Jets numbers.