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It's definitely a wax

Maybe Crayonz is right and I am nitpicking. I recognize and agree with OC's distinction (and recognize that we really have no way of knowing which aspect is dominant in the Muslim community in Murfreesboro), however, his response to Adam didn't read as simply example-giving to me. That's all I'm saying. When I ask something like "Or am I not following that right?", I'm being completely serious. With the way I understood it, and understood his first post, it didn't seem like something OC would be intentionally conveying. Which is why I'm probably just nitpicking or not following correctly.

There is nothing despicable about resisting a subversive and diabolical, political organization. So you went from a big "if" in your first post in this thread, to Murfreesboro is "resisting a subversive and diabolical, political organization"? Or am I not following that right?

You can go your own way.

You're thinking of Don't Stop Idiot /DC_Tom

Damn, RkFast, tempting Simon and strawmanning in the same post? Classic.

Why would he ask his BATF friends? Why don't you ask your representative to Congress? Last I checked, BATF didn't write statutes, they only enforced them.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're kidding. (About reading all those, that is. 250 large is a reasonable demand if you did read them)

This is what I expect from my 10th-year reunion.

Quick to the point, to the point no fakin', Gringo's cooking MC's like a pound of bacon.

Of course not, your thorough analysis is probably much fairer. Could you post all of it?

Source? I'm not aware that they ever figured out for sure what started the fire, whether Davidians or FBI and the assault.

Yep, my champion is ATF. You sure have me pegged

When you hear reports of a cult stockpiling illegal weaponry, yeah, you roll up in an some sort of protective vehicle. Aside from the really ****ty surveillance that the ATF did, I approve of the government's actions in that scenario. With a cult like that, you know that they are very much a danger. My post was about the fear of the unknown, and the use of such force in that kind of scenario.

Sorry to hear, Scott. You and yours have my thoughts and condolences.

You have to graduate high school to get a reunion

He cheaped out and got an earlier edition, used.

What, no ?

I realize this, and accept it (especially the hindsight bit), but this is where you and I will always fundamentally disagree. I do not think that the fear of the unknown, when it comes to your own citizens, justifies bringing military vehicles into the mix. I can see why you feel otherwise. And thanks for the answer regarding the Brinks truck, it's appreciated.

I don't mind saying that when you need one of these things, you need it really badly. My problem with it is this: these things are also being used when they're most certainly not needed. Barricaded armed suspect? Fine. Serving an arrest warrant? I don't think so. There are situations that call for the police to act as a paramilitary force, but they are few and far between. And Tom's post raised a question in my mind: why a combat car and not a Brinks truck? Aren't they both armored? Maybe you can answer that for me, BB27, being in law enforcement and all.

Well, obviously, that's the first choice

Almost forgot: The first album released by The Darkness is brilliant.

Since billsfan89 hasn't come around to champion The Gaslight Anthem yet, I'll do it for him. All three albums are worth a listen; I really enjoy their second album, "The '59 Sound." Band of Horses is one of my favorite "new" bands - they're great live, too. I second The Black Keys. For me, Guster is hit or miss, but I know some people really enjoy them. Against Me! is a new-ish punk-ish band that I enjoy. I also enjoy: The National The Ruse The Soundtrack of our Lives The Antlers Beirut The Cat Empire

That's why I said the article kind of sucked. It's not my title. My big issue, as I stated in my OP (which you conveniently ignored, but I could have predicted that) is this: Except I don't think it just creates "a sense" of police as military soldiers; I think that, in general, police forces are becoming groups that are more inclined toward military-like operations rather than keeping order and peace. And?

The article kind of sucks, but you get the idea: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41912754/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/t/why-do-americas-police-need-armored-tank/ I, for one, am not in favor of our local PDs being paramilitary forces (although this seems to be the case already). What do you guys think? Oh, almost forgot, my favorite line: