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I like this option quite a bit. He seems like a more developed EJ, or someone who could push him closer to completion possibly. Have those guys, Cassel, and a mid-round pick like Grayson battle it out and keep 3 of them.
No offense, but I don't follow...how is a guy who was a bigger project than EJ coming out of college who's never played a single relevant snap in his career more developed than EJ who has 14 starts, 3 come back wins, etc?
EJ I would gather is substantially further along than Taylor. I like the signing, low risk project, but to say he's more developed than EJ is just puzzling to me.
This is a guy that's gonna challenge for a back up spot IMO with potential to develop down the road.
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Fitz didn't beat us. EJ Manuel did.
No JJ Watt did. Hard for a young QB to do much when one player hits you by himself 9 times in the game, not to mention the other players who were in his face the moment he snapped the ball. Our OL got demolished that game. EJ gets too much hate because of one game adjacent the best player in the NFL who completely schooled our OL the entire game like they were a High School team.
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I'd wager that just about every NFL team without a good QB.
Carry on.
Had nothing to do with it...I did an analysis of his entire season and posted it back then on here. In games where we threw more than ran, we lost...every single one. However, the pace of the game didn't always force us to throw in a lot of those games...in other words we weren't always down big early. Games where we are within 7 at half time and we just keep passing. Games where the run game had been clicking big time...he still chose to go back to forcing the pass with a bad QB. We lost every single game we passed more than ran, and we won every single game we ran more than passed. Yet Chan was obsessed with passing, even when it wasnt necessary.
Yet, in games that were close, Chan would STILL insist on passing constantly, including games within one score at half where he literally ran less than 5 times in the entire second half. Not to mention the dumb pass calls constantly on 3rd and short.
CHAN IS A MORON...
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I see people poking fun at the Jets taking our offense from a few years back but, wasn't our offense pretty good? I mean, we lost many of our games because we couldn't stop anyone on defense. That team knew how to score points.
You give Chan Fitz, Stevie, Spiller, Marshall, and a defense, I think they will do better than most people think...
Stevie? Yes because Stevie is so good that the Niners just cut him after trading a 4th round pick for him despite needing WR help. Steve was a product of Chan and his play from way behind approach and pile garbage stats in the 4th qtr of bad losses. Steve RARELY had big games in games that mattered...in fact, in our wins we ran more than passed...in our losses we threw more than ran. Steve is very over rated.
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I see people poking fun at the Jets taking our offense from a few years back but, wasn't our offense pretty good? I mean, we lost many of our games because we couldn't stop anyone on defense. That team knew how to score points.
You give Chan Fitz, Stevie, Spiller, Marshall, and a defense, I think they will do better than most people think...
Wrong...we put up points against bad teams or late in games when we had been getting blown out all game. Chan was constantly out coached, the offense was constantly doing the opposite of what it should be doing (like leaning on Fitz when the run game was averaging 7ypc) and Chan was so in love with Fitz he couldn't help but let him throw us out of games.
There were several games where our run game was dominating in the first half and the game was close to just see him come out in the 2nd half and literally run less than 5 more times the rest of the game and let Fitz throw and throw until he had enough turnovers to lose us the game.
A LARGE part of the stats that both Fitz and Stevie compiled were in games where we were way behind most the game and we picked up easy garbage points in the 4th quarter to make the game look less like a blow out. The Fitz/Chan era is so over rated its not even funny. People look at total stats and thing they were good. Like that first year with Fitz...everyone was SO IN LOVE with the Baltimore game where he threw 4 TD's and broke 300 yards that they all conveniently over looked the 2 second half INTS that lost us the game and caused him to have to throw so much. He would go on to score very little until several weeks later where he again threw 4 TDs against Cincy...however, he had thrown 3 INTS to start the game and it wasnt until Cincy lost 3 starting DBs during the game that he was able to start passing on them. Thats 8 TDs in 2 games that padded his stats while everyone else ignored he was averaging around 1 TD a game the other 10 or so games.
Fitz sucks..Chan sucks. Chan has again proven his love affair with Fitz by trading for him. Chan is no where near the offensive guru he is made out to be...his coaching and game plan single handedly lost us more games than it won. He is terrible at in game adjustments, lets the other team dictate how he calls the game (and says so in press conferences), and is stubborn with his love affair with Fitz.
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is there any update on his visit? Is he still here? Last I saw we were offering a one year deal
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Appears Ipuati is going to AZ and Bulaga is staying in GB...so who do we go after next along the OL, especially at G?
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Just got a text alert that Harvin being released today. What did the Jets give up for him again? Hilarious how bad the Jets front office was/is
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They better not cut him or let him go.
The Patriots* will take full advantage. Gronk - Dez combo? My God.
If he was cut, I could totally see him landing in NE as a reclamation project and that would really really suck. Brady, Dez, Gronk...no thanks.
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Dude--I AM a lawyer, with an honors degree from a school in the Boston area whose first name starts with an H. I fully understand how the burden of proof works and how quite often the entire game is based on getting the standard set high or low. It's absolutely ridiculous that we're even comparing this to a legal matter and legal standard of proof issues, criminal or civil. This is a private organization, which can set its own rules and its own standards. If the League's officials say there was a problem, then that should be the end of it, none of this "evidence beyond a reasonable doubt crap" that is being flung by the Pats* and their apologists (I'm looking at you, Florio). They're clearly doing their best to set the proof bar as high as they can in order to wriggle out of this in the court of public opinion. Utter nonsense, which actually further convinces me that there is indeed something rotten in Denmark, else wise why all the spin? Time will tell on the facts--none of us knows what they are, but we'll find out hopefully soon,
Pneumonic--on the science point, I seem to recall someone early on saying that to deflate 2 psi the temperature would need to go from something like 75 to minus 10. Were they correct? I also have read articles in which a Columbia professor was asked what he thought happened and he said tampering was the most likely culprit (I'm sure Kraft--a wealthy alum and donor--was not pleased). Same story from a a College of Staten Island prof. Shouldn't this be an eminently solvable problem from a science standpoint? Why the apparent disagreement? That makes little sense to me.
No offense, none of which you just wrote remotely implies it is the thoughts of a Harvard Law Graduate and active Lawyer, or any lawyer for that matter.
For someone thats supposed to be so versed and gifted in law, you sure seem like to side step the fact there is no conclusive evidence by deflecting and stating that its a private business and the law somehow doesn't apply here. There isn't a lawyer on Earth that would support the statement you just wrote about "this is a private organization" and the league can basically do what it wants because of that.
I seriously doubt any lawyer would make the statements you just made. You don't think Private Corporations have to adhere to due process, business law, and corporate practices? Are you kidding? The funniest part is that you reference the NFL can set their own standards...of course they can as can any corporation...but that in NO WAY IN ANY COURT OF LAW means they can penalize individuals against those standards WITHOUT DIRECT EVIDENCE of the violation of those standards by the accused.
If the NFL administers any penalty without evidence of direct tampering, they will have lawyers up their backsides in seconds. This is a multi billion corporation dealing with a multi billion organization in the Pats. Any penalty administered is going to negatively impact the Pats brand, its revenue, its value, and potentially its ability to compete (if the penalty caused a loss of draft picks or suspensions). And you want to state that because the NFL is a private corporation, they can just deliberately hurt the Pats revenue, value, brand and potentially its competitiveness WITHOUT "evidence beyond a reasonable doubt"? In what court of law does that make sense or hold up other than the make believe "court of public opinion"?
The ironic part now is that you just mocked and claimed the Pats, Florio, etc are spinning the story...yet you are about to reply and try and spin the gibberish you just wrote to mean something other than the exact words you just wrote.
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One was the hit placed upon Trent Edwards by Adrian Wilson, the safety from the Arizona Cardinals. Our team was 4-0 and looking pretty good. Edwards was not great, but he was good enough to get them to that game undefeated for the first 4-0 record in years. On one of the first plays of the game, Wilson came through and knocked Edwards into the future. He was never the same.
He never got it back.
Last year the play that ruined the season of EJ Manuel was the pick six by JJ Watt. Prior to that play, EJ was good but not great, and was progressing like one might expect from the 16th pick in the previous draft.....not a franchise quarterback, but one who needs a couple years to get up to speed. We were ready to score against the Texans, and he threw that pass that Watt, well, you saw it.
He was not the only player to be made to look foolish by JJ Watt.
As a result, Saint Doug took it upon himself to declare that EJ Manuel is no longer the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills. One play changed everything.
The difference is that Edwards was actually injured on the play, and perhaps that injury led to his long-term mediocrity. EJ Manuel made a mistake. People make them in games. All quarterbacks make mistakes. The way to measure the quality of a leader is to look at how he responds after he gets back up. EJ never was given that chance.
Since he was not hurt, I think that he paid an unfair price for making a bad throw to the best defensive player in the NFL. Next time he won't make that throw, and the Bills go on to win the game.
This is not an EJ thread. It's a thread about redemption. One guy's malady was physical. The other guy got beat by a great player. Maybe he should have not endured such a consequence.
No offense, but this Trent Edwards "was never the same" statement is just a Myth. He wasnt playing well prior to that...the only reason people think he was playing well was because we started 4-0 but that was against 4 of the worst teams in the league that year, our defense and ST made 3 of those 4 wins possible, and he didn't have very good games against bad teams.
Trent game before and after that hit were the same. The difference was we stopped getting a bunch of huge breaks with turnovers and we started losing. It took a bunch of defensive turnovers, defensive TDs and ST TDS to beat 4 bad teams to start 4-0. Once those stopped, we stopped winning. People forget how much the offense struggled those 4 wins, all they saw was 4-0 and over looked Trents short comings. He turned into a myth...but once we started playing better teams and the D made less big plays, the truth about Trent was exposed. He was weak before the AZ game and was weak after, its just people took notice after because they had an incorrect perception of Trent due to a misleading 4-0 start.
I posted over and over again when we were 4-0 that we would not make the playoffs if Trent kept playing the way he was...and sure enough we didn't. The people who couldn't accept that Trent wasnt very good took comfort in trying to use the hit in AZ as the reason, but truth was, he wasnt very good and hadn't been very good even before that game.
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I think EJ is the starter next year. He has as much upside as anyone on the market and I think he could be good in Romans system. So I hope he wins the job...not given, but wins it. However we still need to add a QB or two to compete to either win the job or be a quality backup...so my choices areI know there are a million threads about QBs. But I wanted to start this one to have it in one place. I want to see a post from each of you with the name of your #1 choice of QB that you would like to Bills to sign in Free agency. Leave off Manning and any of the trade options because none of them are definitely avialble. Of the available UFA's, who is the 1 name you want them to sign. This isn't really meant as a thread to debate who is the best. I just was interested in seeing who each of you had as your first choice.
Mine is Ryan Mallett.
Mallet or Hoyer...
I'd also be happy with Matt Moore.
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Just a bit?
I hated his butterfingers and his loud mouth, but man, he had moves...
He could teach Sammy a thing or two about getting open, in my opinion.
PS: Does anyone know when his contract with the 49ers ends? I would really be open to taking him back. Its not like we need him or anything, but, I'm just reminiscing
Nope
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So easy to get swept up in Brady-mania after he had a great season and played great in the Super Bowl. Seems like a lot of people have been doing this. And I'm not taking anything away from him, he was great all year culminating in another championship. I still can't ignore what I believe to be the bigger factor in determining who's better between him and Peyton:
2008 - New England without Brady: 11-5
2011 - Indy without Peyton: 2-14 and I'll even go a step further and remind everyone that in 2009 (only 2 years earlier with virtually the same roster, coaches, etc.) Peyton took them to a near perfect season and a trip to the Super Bowl.
Peyton in his career is the all-time best IMO.
No offense, but that is such a silly point and the most over stated thing ever. Matt Cassel played light years better than the chumps that QB'd the Colts. People forget that Cassel played pretty well and that 2008 roster for NE was a lot better than the Indy roster of 2011. Lets look at the how the QBs ranked in the NFL the year they led their teams minus Brady and Manning.
NE 2008
1. Matt Cassel had a QB Rating of 89.4 with almost a 2:1 TD-INT ratio with 21 TDs and 11 INTs. He was in the top 10 in Rating, Yards, and TD's that year. New England ranked 12th in the league in passing overall.
2. New England was 5th in the league in rushing.
3. New England was 10th in the league in defense.
Indy 2011
1. Indy in 2011 had 3 QBs...Painter, Orlovsky, and Collins. Indy ranked 30th in passing. They totaled only 14 passing TDs with 14 INTs. They had a team passer rating of 72.2 with painter at a whopping 66.6.
2. Indys was the 26th in the league in rushing (led by Donald Brown)
3. Indy was the 25th ranked defense
NE was coming off a record setting season, a Super Bowl, and an undefeated regular season. That roster was better than the 2011 Colts, not to mention the QB play was atrocious for Indy while Cassel played pretty well finishing in the top 10 in yards, QBR, and TD's.
Manning - 9 times he won double digit games and then went "1 and done" in the playoffs. He is 0-9 over those 9 years in the playoffs, many of which he was the #1 or #2 seed in the playoffs.
Brady - Has been to 9 AFC Championship games where he is 6-3 giving him 6 Super Bowl appearances and 4 Titles.
Manning played almost his whole career with elite weapons like Harrison, Wayne, Clark, James, D. Thomas, J. Thomas, Welker, etc. Brady won 3 SBs with guys like Deion Branch and Troy Brown. This year he had just one elite weapon in Gronk but not a whole lot else other than role player guys that he makes better.
So this comparison of the seasons where they were hurt as some kind of validation to say Manning is better is ridiculous. Manning is an all time great QB, and I would love to have him. But he doesn't belong in the conversation of greatest of all time. That starts and ends with 3 QBs...Brady, Montana, and Unitas. Rodgers will have a case when his career is done I suspect.
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The answers were obvious, and the questions were stupid. That's why I didn't feel a need to answer them.
It's a fukking football message board to discuss football.
If you need the obvious to anyone answer to why I started the thread, it was to point out a play that happened in the game that I just saw, on a football message board, that I thought should be discussed. That's why I start all threads. The exact same reason I started another thread at the same time saying, "Who deserved to win the game?" and then I wrote about eight reasons why I thought the Patriots deserved to win, one of which was "the referees didn't matter" and "no one got screwed" - to get other people's opinions on that question.
Not that you would know, because you only see one side, and ignore everything else.
Please, lets not pretend that you started a thread to legitimately and unbiasedly discuss a play rather than fuel your Pats crusade right now.
Odd, how you seem to be the only one in the world even talking about this. Guess you are smarter than everyone else when it comes to the NFL rule book.
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Brady* has gotten a LOT of help from the Ref's since 9-11.
TUCK rule propelled them into their fame. Since then the Patriots* have gotten the most favorable calls in the NFL year after year after year.
In the SB, Brady* got away with TWO intentional grounding calls. It's not like they threw a flag and picked it up, there were NO FLAGS at all!!!
The year of the Scab Refs.
Weeks 1-3 (IIRC) the Putrids had 8 penalties per game average. When the "regular" refs came back the Putrids miraculously had ONLY 2 penalties per game average. That happened to be the week they played the Bills!
w/o all the favoritism Brady* would be no more than Dan Marino
Weird how Brady got a safety on an intentional grounding to start his last SB though, which he lost. Guess the refs that day weren't Pats fans.
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He didnt know what happened to it. he didn't say it was fine. he said caught it and then he handed it off, which is what I said. Go back in your hole.
Dude, you are trying to imply that something may have been wrong with the ball by trying to use this story. You know what you are doing, so stop playing dumb every time something proves your crusade off course.
He specifically said he felt nothing wrong with the ball, only wanted a souvenir and wasnt even aware of anything until his flight home when he was getting tweets and contact from his agent.
Therefore, the ball felt fine to him and not unusual. But keep beating your crusader drum to try and manipulate things and imply false logic to things.
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This cracks me up. Belicheck makes a stupid decision and in hindsight, because it worked by a total fluke, people are calling him a genius for it.
Just like how Brady would not be considered greatest ever right now if Seattle scores. Results create perception.
Facts: BB is by far the best HC of his generation and has a strong case as best ever. He has a proven track record of deceptive genius on defense to stop even the best offenses in the league as both a HC and DC, so when something seems like it may have through the other HC off, he is going to get some speculation that it may have been a tactic.
Doesn't mean it was, but its definitely in the realm of possibility of his kind of thinking. I think thats all anyone is speculating.
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One is a crusader who only has his distorted viewpoint and one angle. You. Proven repeatedly, and just now when you say stuff like "didnt even get information right according to other posters." You're myopically seeing ones that didnt agree, and ignoring more of them that did. The play was close. I also started a thread at the very same time saying the Patriots deserved to win, were the better team, made more plays, controlled the game, etc. Because I see both sides and post both good and bad, right and wrong about them. Have said repeatedly how great the Patriots are. So STFU, you're wrong again. I didn't think that was possible.
I see you failed to answer my questions...again. Shocker.
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Watching the end of the game I am sitting there thinking why is BB not calling a timeout right here saving an extra 30 seconds for Brady? It seemed like an obvious blunder by one of the great head coaches of all time. Maybe BB didn't call a timeout so the Seahawks wouldn't have time to think the play over and would do something stupid, like they did. Just another way BB may be smarter than everyone else.
Interesting question and this has been talked about on sports talk radio. BB is the kind of coach who is capable of this type of thinking. I have even heard lots of talk on sports talk radio about how Pete even hesitated during that drive waiting for the assumed timeout from the Pats. This creativity is definitely in the wheel house for BB.
On the flip side, Pete is getting way too much haterade for that call. 1. As stated by many, Lynch was only 1 for 5 from the 1 yard line on the season. 2. They only had one timeout...running and not getting in on 2nd down means you have to pass on 3rd and 4th taking away any mystery about the play. 3. Because of the short yardage, its easy to assume you could have an opportunity to surprise with a quick pass. 4. If they don't get in, they may not get 4 downs. They would have to use the time out after the play and if they got sacked or tackled for a loss or short of the GL on third down then game is probably over. 5. I heard a stat on the radio that stated across the NFL in 101 pass attempts on the season from the 1 yard line, the first INT was the one in the SB.
I don't think not running was the right or wrong call. I just don't think it was as bad as its made out to be. People forget that the other team is paid to make plays too and sometimes someone makes a great play, and thats what Butler did. I probably would have ran it with Lynch myself, but I can totally see a case to try a short pass there as well.
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IIRC, Jackson didn't say the ball was fine, he said he didn't notice. That's a big difference. He caught the ball and ran off the field with it and immediately gave it to the equipment guy, who did notice. Jackson probably held onto it for less than 30 seconds.
Come on man, Jackson specifically said that he didn't detect anything wrong with the ball and wanted to keep it as a souvenir. Now you are trying to manipulate that statement to somehow mean the ball didn't fell fine? Geezus, your crusade has reached legendary heights.
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For me, this conversation of GOAT starts and ends with Brady and Montana. Unitas deserves consideration, but having not seen him play its hard for me to weigh him over those two, but I fully acknowledge that based on what I know about him he deserves to be considered. However, it is a grave travesty that Steve Young is not on this list as he is better than at least half your list, and in my book arguably top 5 all time. He doesn't have the career totals as some of the others do, but thats because he sat behind the guy who is at the very least top 2 or 3 all time. In fact, the Niners moved on from one of the greatest ever in Montana a couple years early for Young, that's how good Young was. Make no mistake about it, Young was that good and the best duel threat QB of all time, hands down.
People like Farve, Marino, Bradshaw, Kelly, and even Manning have no business being in this discussion. I love Kelly, and he's an all time great...but to have no titles with the talented team he had immediately eliminates him from the best ever conversation. Manning, is a front runner guy not a big game guy and has NINE "one and dones" in the playoffs while Brady has been to NINE conference championship games in 13 years...thats insane and I don't know if that will ever be done again. I would take Kurt Warner any day of the week over Manning. Favre might be the most over rated QB of all time...yes he's a legend and all time great, but he's not even in the top 10. He was a stats factory, but his reckless abandon was both a blessing and curse. Marino, another stats factory who just never got it done when it mattered most. Bradshaw was carried by the team around him and while he was good he wasnt on the level of a lot of the names on this list IMO.
Top 5 for me are Brady, Montana, Unitas, Young, and the 5th I would actually bump in Aaron Rodgers already. You can say its too soon, but the guy is just flat out that good and may have a strong case for top 3 or the top of the mountain by the time his career is done. There are several QBs who can make a case to be #5, but I wouldnt take any of them over Aaron Rodgers if I was starting a team. Not Elway, Not Farve, Not Staubach, Not Peyton, Not any of them.
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Are you serious? You think this message board has the clout to create "a baseless witch hunt" out of "manipulated false stats" that leads the national news (ABC, NBC, CBS morning and evening news), talk shows, talk by every water cooler in America for days running? Interesting.
BTW, you found the wrong thread. This isn't the 100+ pager.
lol, did I say this board created it in the media? I generalized both the media and this board of being on a witch hunt. The media leaked false reports, inaccurate reports, and countless assumptions and speculation.
Nothing about this story has checked out. Not how many balls, not by how much, not who initiated the complaint, not anything.
People wanted this to be true to discredit the Pats, the media actually didn't care if it was true or false, they just wanted to sell click through rates online or pull ratings on TV and Radio. In todays horrible state of News (thanks to social media), its easy to leak "reports" that have little to no credibility because there is NO accountability anymore because of social media. A simple tweet, without evidence, turns into fact and is regurgitated to death by every news outlet, blog, message board, website, etc across the glob as if its now words direct out of Gods mouth.
But here we are, still talking about something that at this stage proven to be a non event while a team like the Falcons have been literally caught cheating and admitted to cheating without any uproar or care by anyone. The media doesn't care about it because it doesn't sell stories...the Pats sell stories. Its actually pretty pathetic and illustrates the just how much our news structure has deteriorated to be about retweets, click through rates, and ratings. None of deflate gate was actually about the stupid footballs, it was about the Pats only, because the Pats generate attention.
Again, you let me know when the uproar, fumble ratios skewed charts, and 100 page threads start about the people who just admitted to cheating.
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Watch the play. Brady's pass to Amendola.
Edelman and LaFell are both on the line and go on patterns. Amendola on same side a half yard off the line, which is also illegal. But Edelman is not a legal receiver.
I was yelling at the TV when it happened.
Brady breaks Montana's TD record is the play.
Why does this thread not surprise me...when you crusade you really crusade man.
If its not a conspiracy, what exactly are you getting at with this thread? What is the point if its "not a conspiracy" to start a thread and claim illegal TDs were allowed for the Pats, especially since you didn't even get the information right about the play according to other posters (I wouldnt know as I didn't record the game and can not go back and watch it). Are you trying to find a new way that the Pats had some unfair advantage now that deflate gate didn't pan out?
A lot of firepower. Which QB will make the most of it?
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EJ is the front runner...they have a first round pick invested in him, they have an OC and coach that wants to see the QB use his legs more, and the kid has more talent than this board gives him credit for.
EJ had a reasonably solid start to his career, especially given the time he missed his rookies season. He was raw and had a lot of pressure and played to careful and restricted himself. He has 3 fourth quarter comeback wins in just 14 starts because he played better when he was forced to let loose with the game on the line.
This kid may or may not become a good starter, but right now, he has the most upside regardless of the over exaggerated negative opinion many posters have about him on here. He is the front runner, Cassel is the vet to help steady the ship if he doesn't show he can elevate his game on the field or gets hurt. Cassel will no doubt be in the mix to start, but its going to be EJ I think that emerges and earns the spot. Cassel and Taylor will be battling to back him up after that, and Cassel should easily win that.