[Chowderheads in horror , OMG,OMG]

I think he was trying to powerwash the sand from his vajayjay.

 

Nice

[EJ Manuel throwing Bullets]

I don't agree with this at all. I do not believe that EJ will be a franchise QB like most in here. With that being said there is nothing that would make me happier than to be proven wrong by him. The reason people are "anti-EJ" isn't because of him. He is as likable a guy as the Bills could have possibly added. Everyone just wants the Bills to win and I don't think that anyone cares who is under center when it happens.

 

No offense to you, but thats your stance, not the boards. This board is full of people who literally have an agenda to tear the kid down at every moment. There are people here who have whole heartedly decided this kid can not make it, is an absolute bust, and will do everything they can to continue that campaign no matter what the subject matter.

 

There are people who fairly have the opinion he isn't the answer yet would love to see him become the answer. Then there are people who are not even open to the possibility of him having a chance to be the answer and want him cut now. There are people who spend most there time in threads, regardless of topic, bashing people who think he still has upside and bashing him in general. They start threads to directly demean him including ridiculous trade threads that could not and would not ever happen just to fill that agenda.

 

Its actually gotten out of hand, annoying, and repetitive. its fair to not believe him to be the answer, its also fair to believe he has the potential to be the guy...but lets not kid ourselves that everyone here shares that reasonable stance

[Rule passed banning (Pats*) use of ineligible receivers]

Good rule change.

 

Sad that you have to change the rules to prevent the Pats' cheating, though.

 

Its not cheating when it was a legal procedure. Much like how the league changed the rule the year after the Rams used a trick play where Kurt Warner pretending to walk off the field to call a timeout, but didn't call a time out, and then Marshall Faulk called for the direct snap hike to pick up a first down. Wasn't cheating, it was creative within the current rules...NFL changed rules the next year to adjust to it, that doesn't make it cheating at the time it happened.

 

Yeah, they were. Following the letter of the rules while violating the spirit of them is called "gaming the system," and it's considered cheating.

 

And that's above and beyond the fact that they were violating the rules by improperly declaring eligible/ineligible status on consecutive plays, to get around the substitution rules.

 

Sorry to say, none of that is true. Working the system is not cheating, its finding creativity within the rules to confuse your opponent, out smart them, and execute something they haven't seen. Thats incredible coaching and game planning. The object of football is to score points by executing plays you disguise so they can be executed. Doing it so well it confuses everyone doesn't make it cheating, it makes it brilliant. And now the Pats potentially have another SB trophy in their case and all the revenue and accolades to go with it because they were smarter than the Ravens on that Sunday. And they did so within the allowable and legal rules. Under no scenario, no book, no rule is that cheating.

[Kiko or Woods?]

I loved Kiko coming out of college, and even on draft night when we took him. He didn't disappoint. However, two serious knee injuries to two different knees for a LB that strength is agility, speed and range is no joke...so it has to be Kiko. And with our talent at LB, Kiko was expendable, so it was a perfect scenario to help balance this team. Kiko may end up being a great player for the Eagles, but the risk was there. To get talent, you must trade talent. And we shed a player a position of depth for an Elite player on the offense which was our achilles heal last year.

 

This was a good trade for us, and Kiko was the correct player to trade. Robert Woods reminds me a lot of Jimmy Smith who was a pretty damn good football player for a long time and I hope he remains a Bill for a long time.

[Hard Knocks here we come?]

I am not sure if the the rule is that they "won't pick" teams with new coaches, but rather, they will not force a team with a new coach to participate.

This. The rule is that if no team volunteers the NFL can force a team but only teams that meet certain conditions like not having a new coach.

 

So the Bills could agree to be on there, but the NFL can't force the Bills to do it if no team volounteers.

[With us all in on the Ground and Pound: Taylor will start]

I think EJ will be our starter.

 

I agree...on a personal level, I don't care, I just want a QB who can do the job.

 

What I don't understand is why someone like Taylor, who's done nothing, proved nothing, and was more raw coming out of college (where he accomplished less than EJ) is all of a sudden a better option than EJ on this board to so many people. Taylor has intrigue, and I get that and I am curious as anyone, but its amazing how much people will bash EJ on mechanics and stuff and then praise a QB with worse mechanics as the guy who will take his job.

 

EJ is by far the more ready to play than Taylor...doesnt mean Taylor can't win the job now that he will finally be truly competing for a job (He was never competing with Flacco obviously), but its crazy to me how some can be so high on him and so down on EJ.

 

More puzzling to me is that EJ works harder than anyone can ask and has been nothing but a model player and all in on the Bills success whether he was playing or not. Yet so many here grossly exaggerate his struggles and refuse to acknowledge his bright moments. His stats are better in his first 14 games than many of the greats, yet people disregard him like he was Ryan Leaf or Danny Wuerfel.

 

Im not saying EJ is the answer...Im just not also saying he's not. The kid has shown a hell of a lot more than Taylor has, so it puzzles me how people have more faith in Taylor with worse mechanics, worse resume, and no NFL relevant experience (who's also done nothing in the very brief moments on the field). Taylor may very well win the job, but looking at the 3 QBs most likely competing for the starting job today, its pretty clear to me he's the long shot as we sit today.

[Trade for Ryan Nassib?]

Let's face it the Giants are suffering at numerous positions, and probably would trade Nassib for the right player, since the co-owner of the Giants has expressed the desire for Eli to retire a Giant. As a result a lot of trade rumor discussions have been brought up regarding trading Nassib. Do you guys think it would be a good fit for the Bills to trade for him? Apparently he can read defenses well and he's been sitting behind a seasoned pro for a couple years now. Would it be worth it to bring him into compete? I'll be honest to say I know nothing about him other than he played well in the preseason without interceptions.

 

I will say its a safe bet we won't be bringing in anymore QBs outside the draft. We already have 3 guys they want in the battle, plus Tuel. There are only so many reps...and they have investments in all 3 (High draft pick in EJ, traded for Cassel, and signed Taylor), so I doubt they did that if they weren't committed to having them in camp. My guess is we draft one if a guy we like is there at a value we like, cut Tuel, and go to camp with 4.

[Should we trade Charles Clay?]

Don't get me wrong, I love the Charles Clay signing. But, what this team really needs, is a quarterback, and EJ, Cassel, Tyrod, and Tuel just won't cut it. Now I know we can't get like an Andrew Luck for him, but what about like, Andy Dalton or Jay Cutler. Maybe the Redskins will give us Cutler?

 

He might also be worth a top 10 pick, to get Marriota or WINston.

 

Everyone has pretty much covered the ridiculousness of this post...however, lets add something not being mentioned.

 

If teams with QB's better than what we have wanted Clay and are willing to take on his contract, then why didn't they just sign him to an offer sheet?

 

Furthermore...you stated Cutler and Dalton...do you people even think about what you write? Both teams have very talented TE's, in fact, guys most people would rank near Clay or even better than Clay. So why would they get rid of their QB, who is necessary to throw the ball to the TE, for another player at the same position they already have big talent at? In what world does this make sense?

 

And who is going to give up a top 10 pick for a TE they could have just signed themselves a few days ago that also has a lot to prove still on the field? Why would Clay NOW be attractive with a contract that exceeds his production to a team with a top 10 pick? If they are willing to pay Clay that kind of money, they would have made the same offer and kept their top 10 pick.

[Maybe Eagles will swap Bradford for Manuel...]

Why would they do that? They gave up Foles, and 2nd and a 4th for Bradford...you think they now will flip Bradford to us after giving all that up? Where do you people come up with this stuff?

[Would you, right now, trade EJ for Tannehill? Chapter 2]

What explosive plays has EJ made? Besides throwing to Watt? Or a pick with the game on the line?

 

This statement alone proves you don't know much about EJ, you're on a crusade to smear the kid, and you have a biased hatred for some reason.

 

He has 3 4th quarter comeback wins in just 14 games...he had a couple rookie of the week nods in his rookie 10 games...he went on the road and beat Chicago in the home opener than killed the Dolphins to start the season.

 

You act like he has had no good moments, and its getting absurd. And you want to bring up JJ Watt...where is your threads hating the OL who let JJ Watt by himself hit EJ 9 times that game? Most QBs, especially young QBs would have a hard time playing a good game when you are hit double digit times, especially when one guy gets to you 9 times. The OL was destroyed that game like it was a high school team out there. It wasn't all EJs fault.

 

EJ has plenty to work on, but all this garbage like he's had no good moments, no good games, etc that you whine and spew about all the time is pointless and false. He has had less bad games than he has had decent or good ones but you and others act like he's the second coming of Ryan Leaf out there.

 

EJ may not make it or he may become a good starter...the jury is still out. If you believe he won't, fine...but at least keep it real and stop over exaggerating or starting lopsided threads to try and fuel your crusade.

 

Why do people start polls of things that don't exist? What is the point of this poll other than to try and fuel your anti EJ campaign which is spread all over this board already?

[The QB situation is what it is. Move on already]

Who in the draft has shown no progress from year one to year two, has gotten hurt 3 times, and had his team give up on him?

 

You're on a mission

Brett Favre was an unknown third stringer when the Packers got him from Atlanta. Just saying.

 

Um, Brett Farve was a high 2nd round pick (almost a 1st) who was traded after his rookie year to GB for a first round pick. You not knowing who he was doesn't make him an unknown player. He was highly regarded player coming out of college, so much so that it cost the 19th pick in the draft for GB to trade for him.

[Would you, right now, trade EJ for Tannehill? Chapter 2]

Those are actually Tannehill's numbers through his first 13 games but point taken (he had 10 TD's through his first 14). Did Ryan Tannehill show up and perform so incredibly poorly in his second offseason and preseason that his team scrambled to go find a washed up veteran to back him up/start? I think one major point here that the "14 games" crowd continues to overlook is that only reason he has only played 14 games is because he sucked so bad last year that the coaching staff (yes the coaching staff that is now in Jacksonville, we get it) wouldn't let him sniff the field even after it became apparent that said washed up veteran sucked too. By contrast, Tannehill took every snap and threw for 24 TD's and almost 4,000 yards in his second year. So if EJ Manuel sucks once again this year and gets yanked after 4 games again in favor of Matt Cassel, do you guys get to tell everyone that EJ Manuel has only played 18 games and then compare his stats to Tannehill through 18 games? And meanwhile, Tannehill is throwing for over 4,000 yards again in his 4th complete season?

 

Can people just be honest and real about what happened last year already? EJ didn't suck for 4 games...he played well the first 2 games and had 2 rough games and in one of those games JJ Watt personally hit him 9 times on his own. The OL was the unit that sucked and EJ was getting hit before he finished his drop back. Any young QB would struggle in a game like that, and yet we still had a chance to win that game.

 

EJ's biggest issue was playing to careful, restricted, and afraid to make a mistake. Thats why he got benched, and rightfully so as you can't play that way. The coaching staff was crap and took away parts of his game like using his legs and the kid played restricted. Worse yet EJ never had a veteran QB to show him how to be an NFL QB and since the staff wasn't doing him any favors and ALWAYS preferred a Veteran anyway, they made the switch and stuck with Orton despite the fact he sucked.

 

EJ's shown quite a bit more than people give him credit for. Doesn't mean he will get there, but it sure as hell doesn't mean he won't ever get there. Jury is still out and he finally has a PROVEN coaching staff, especially at OC in Roman to help him learn how to be a starting NFL QB.

 

I still don't understand the grossly over exaggerative attacks on him. I mean I do, this board is full of some of the worst QB evaluators I have ever seen, but still, the hate for this kid rivals the hate for Whitner, except he's done nothing to warrant all that hate. He's one of the hardest working players on the team and one of the teams biggest cheer leaders when he's not in the game. Yet people hate on him but were also the same people making excuses for the other terrible QBs like Orton, Fitz, Trent, etc.

[The QB situation is what it is. Move on already]

I feel more comfortable about the QB situation now that the Bills signed Tyrod Taylor.

 

Matt Casell is just unspectacular and EJ may not be the right player for the job.

 

So let's wait and see what any of these guys can do.

You feel better now that we signed a QB who's barely seen the field and done nothing with it when rarely on it? As if he's a safer bet over EJ who's actually played and won games, including 3 fourth quarter come backs or Cassel who's a seasoned vet.

 

Got it...

[Goodwin still reading his twitter mentions I see]

i like the dood. Because he is a football player who is fast, instead of a fast guy trying to play football.

 

He might have to play special teams really well to make the squad. I am not in favor of us getting Harvin, partly because of its impact on G88dwin.

 

Spot on about who Goodwin is. Unfortunately, durability has been issue...hes young, so is it bad luck or is it a chronic issue. Fred Taylor was labeled injury prone and made of glass early in his career, Matt Stafford too...yet they got that behind them and went on to have relatively healthy careers (Staffords still going of course) and have high levels of success.

 

But this is a big TC for Goodwin...I think his talent is too good to let go, and with Harvin here you have 2 talented guys who can fill similar roles (obviously Harvin is more accomplished thus far) that have had the injury bug a lot in the career...so not a bad idea to keep both as you are more likely to have a weapon of their skill set every week regardless if one is hurt. I would rather see Goodwin stay than Hogan because who knows if Harvin is here more than this year given its a 1 year deal. Hogan is solid, but he isn't a special talent. With Watkins, Woods, and Harvin, we got a lot of talent there, so lets keep the guy with most upside, especially since he's only had 2 seasons here and no QB to help him develop.

[Would you, right now, trade EJ for Tannehill? Chapter 2]

A repeat of last year's, with a poll! http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/170205-would-you-right-now-trade-ej-for-tannehill-straight-up/

 

For me, it's a yes.

 

Try not to turn this into a full EJ topic. I want to get a baseline on the career's of two young QB's in the AFC East, not talk Matt Cassel.

 

I voted no, but with more information...I get you said straight up, but why debate that, its not within the realm of possibility, so whats the point in my eyes other than try and further slam EJ. It would be too expensive to package EJ with high pick or picks to get Tannehill, so therefore I vote no as I don't know if Tannehill is worth that at this time. So these make believe scenarios are pointless.

 

I will never understand how so many people here made excuse after excuse for horrible QBs like JP, Trent, and even Fitz yet go out of their way to grossly over exaggerate EJs struggles. EJ has had a better first 14 games than many top QBs, past and present, yet people talk about here like he is in the Brohm, Tuel, Leaf, category. Its actually absurd.

 

The kid has talent, has 3 comeback wins in 14 games, a couple rookie of the week nods, and some decent games on his resume. He has only had a few really bad games, yet guys like Fitz, Trent, and JP had more hoffible games than good games yet they got years to prove they suck. People wanted to prove EJ sucks the day he stepped on the field

 

If he can stop playing overly careful and let loose, use his legs, and not hold back this kid could become a legit starter. But haters just want to OVER EXAGGERATE the hate to levels reserved for guys like Whitner despite the fact that the kid puts in the time to be great, is a great teammate, didn't pout when Orton got the nod, running up and down the sidelines cheering the offense when Orton (rarely) did something right, etc.

 

I just don't understand the mission to destroy the kid on this board. He may or may not become a good starter, but the potential is there and he's putting in the work...so let it go and let it play out on the field already and wish the kid luck.

[A lot of firepower. Which QB will make the most of it?]

EJ is the front runner...they have a first round pick invested in him, they have an OC and coach that wants to see the QB use his legs more, and the kid has more talent than this board gives him credit for.

 

EJ had a reasonably solid start to his career, especially given the time he missed his rookies season. He was raw and had a lot of pressure and played to careful and restricted himself. He has 3 fourth quarter comeback wins in just 14 starts because he played better when he was forced to let loose with the game on the line.

 

This kid may or may not become a good starter, but right now, he has the most upside regardless of the over exaggerated negative opinion many posters have about him on here. He is the front runner, Cassel is the vet to help steady the ship if he doesn't show he can elevate his game on the field or gets hurt. Cassel will no doubt be in the mix to start, but its going to be EJ I think that emerges and earns the spot. Cassel and Taylor will be battling to back him up after that, and Cassel should easily win that.

[Tyrod Taylor visiting the Bills--edit signed per Rex]

I like this option quite a bit. He seems like a more developed EJ, or someone who could push him closer to completion possibly. Have those guys, Cassel, and a mid-round pick like Grayson battle it out and keep 3 of them.

No offense, but I don't follow...how is a guy who was a bigger project than EJ coming out of college who's never played a single relevant snap in his career more developed than EJ who has 14 starts, 3 come back wins, etc?

 

EJ I would gather is substantially further along than Taylor. I like the signing, low risk project, but to say he's more developed than EJ is just puzzling to me.

 

This is a guy that's gonna challenge for a back up spot IMO with potential to develop down the road.

[If we had a D when Gailey was here....]

 

Fitz didn't beat us. EJ Manuel did.

 

No JJ Watt did. Hard for a young QB to do much when one player hits you by himself 9 times in the game, not to mention the other players who were in his face the moment he snapped the ball. Our OL got demolished that game. EJ gets too much hate because of one game adjacent the best player in the NFL who completely schooled our OL the entire game like they were a High School team.

[If we had a D when Gailey was here....]

I'd wager that just about every NFL team without a good QB.

 

Carry on.

 

Had nothing to do with it...I did an analysis of his entire season and posted it back then on here. In games where we threw more than ran, we lost...every single one. However, the pace of the game didn't always force us to throw in a lot of those games...in other words we weren't always down big early. Games where we are within 7 at half time and we just keep passing. Games where the run game had been clicking big time...he still chose to go back to forcing the pass with a bad QB. We lost every single game we passed more than ran, and we won every single game we ran more than passed. Yet Chan was obsessed with passing, even when it wasnt necessary.

 

Yet, in games that were close, Chan would STILL insist on passing constantly, including games within one score at half where he literally ran less than 5 times in the entire second half. Not to mention the dumb pass calls constantly on 3rd and short.

 

CHAN IS A MORON...

[If we had a D when Gailey was here....]

I see people poking fun at the Jets taking our offense from a few years back but, wasn't our offense pretty good? I mean, we lost many of our games because we couldn't stop anyone on defense. That team knew how to score points.

 

You give Chan Fitz, Stevie, Spiller, Marshall, and a defense, I think they will do better than most people think...

 

Stevie? Yes because Stevie is so good that the Niners just cut him after trading a 4th round pick for him despite needing WR help. Steve was a product of Chan and his play from way behind approach and pile garbage stats in the 4th qtr of bad losses. Steve RARELY had big games in games that mattered...in fact, in our wins we ran more than passed...in our losses we threw more than ran. Steve is very over rated.

[If we had a D when Gailey was here....]

I see people poking fun at the Jets taking our offense from a few years back but, wasn't our offense pretty good? I mean, we lost many of our games because we couldn't stop anyone on defense. That team knew how to score points.

 

You give Chan Fitz, Stevie, Spiller, Marshall, and a defense, I think they will do better than most people think...

 

Wrong...we put up points against bad teams or late in games when we had been getting blown out all game. Chan was constantly out coached, the offense was constantly doing the opposite of what it should be doing (like leaning on Fitz when the run game was averaging 7ypc) and Chan was so in love with Fitz he couldn't help but let him throw us out of games.

 

There were several games where our run game was dominating in the first half and the game was close to just see him come out in the 2nd half and literally run less than 5 more times the rest of the game and let Fitz throw and throw until he had enough turnovers to lose us the game.

 

A LARGE part of the stats that both Fitz and Stevie compiled were in games where we were way behind most the game and we picked up easy garbage points in the 4th quarter to make the game look less like a blow out. The Fitz/Chan era is so over rated its not even funny. People look at total stats and thing they were good. Like that first year with Fitz...everyone was SO IN LOVE with the Baltimore game where he threw 4 TD's and broke 300 yards that they all conveniently over looked the 2 second half INTS that lost us the game and caused him to have to throw so much. He would go on to score very little until several weeks later where he again threw 4 TDs against Cincy...however, he had thrown 3 INTS to start the game and it wasnt until Cincy lost 3 starting DBs during the game that he was able to start passing on them. Thats 8 TDs in 2 games that padded his stats while everyone else ignored he was averaging around 1 TD a game the other 10 or so games.

 

Fitz sucks..Chan sucks. Chan has again proven his love affair with Fitz by trading for him. Chan is no where near the offensive guru he is made out to be...his coaching and game plan single handedly lost us more games than it won. He is terrible at in game adjustments, lets the other team dictate how he calls the game (and says so in press conferences), and is stubborn with his love affair with Fitz.

[WR Percy Harvin's first visit is with Bills]

is there any update on his visit? Is he still here? Last I saw we were offering a one year deal

[Bulaga/Iupati appear gone...whos our next OL target?]

Appears Ipuati is going to AZ and Bulaga is staying in GB...so who do we go after next along the OL, especially at G?

[Percy Harvin set to be released?]

Just got a text alert that Harvin being released today. What did the Jets give up for him again? Hilarious how bad the Jets front office was/is

[Dez Bryant career threatening video?]

They better not cut him or let him go.

 

The Patriots* will take full advantage. Gronk - Dez combo? My God.

 

 

If he was cut, I could totally see him landing in NE as a reclamation project and that would really really suck. Brady, Dez, Gronk...no thanks.