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I think you know that your stance here is extremely disingenuous. You know every well that if there is a law that says you HAVE to teach about marriage, then this gives them political coverage to go ahead and do that w/o parental interference. Yes, they can teach it now, but they would have to deal with the parents. I know you know this. Being this unyielding only hardens people in their stance.

Not going there. You clearly don't want to discuss the issue - you just want people to speak and then slap them down as haters/bigots who would be better off dead. Whack-a-Mole was fun at Darien Lake, but I prefer not to engage in those types of debates anymore.

I'm just saying I think the "Africa" comment is probably an exaggeration. As for the clothes thing, I don't know the context. I see you are implying a contradiction, but maybe Palin didn't ask and some other campaign official did. As a side note, your analysis on the day of the pick was spot on (the whole hail Mary thing...). Well done.

I understand. However, there are a handful of posters here who want to marginalize/trivialize the opposition to this issue as simply hate/bigotry by a fringe portion of the electorate. Clearly, it is not.

I'm not going to dispute her lack of knowledge on a whole host of issues, but keep in mind you have staffers from the losing party pointing fingers at someone who is not them. Maybe it's all true, but what you are getting is a second hand account from people who have motives to throw her under the bus. I would be skeptical of the kiss and tell stories that come out.

I'm not going to get sucked into this debate again, but at least be clear on this - there are no good reasons that you agree with. Big difference.

Consider "success" and "fail" are terms of the beholder - I don't even see how any of us can be arguing the point. I do want Obama to "fail" on most everything he proposed. Ummm... that's why I didn't vote for him. I don't agree with him. I do not want to eliminate secret ballots for union elections. I do not want to bankrupt the coal industry. I do not want to spend another umpteen billion dollars in new federal spending. I do not want congress to overturn common sense laws voted upon in the states regarding abortion.. etc... I saw your post on what a successful administration would be, but I think you will find most lists that have any sort of commonality will be made almost exclusively of various foreign policy objectives. On domestic issues. Fail baby fail.

The brow beating over this issue is juvenile. This issue has been decided by the voters in 30 states. In all 30 states, the outcome has been the same. Clearly, this is a personal issue that has broad support from every region of the country.

Reagan closed tax shelters in exchange for lowering the rate though. No one paid those rates, they just had to contort themselves to avoid it.

I don't believe in voting against someone I support because they might die.

If you want to give someone credit for Obama's victory - give it to Rove (leaving Bush aside). He set the organizational bar that Obama had to exceed. Just like in the NFL - it is difficult to keep winning against the same team because the losing team gets to adapt, while the winning team doesn't quite know what to change.

Probably because the left projects far, FAR more racism on the right than actually exists.

Karl Rove made that point last night. I always knew you two thought alike...

Thanks. I can understand the whole thing about retirees. I assume the latter part is dismissed, since they would have the option to marry is needed.

However, some seem to want to link black oppression to homosexual oppression, yet the black community doesn't seem to see it in the same light. That was my point.

I think it falls under "social studies".

What makes you say they don't realize this? Is there a big male-female domestic partnership movement somewhere?

I hope you realize that the proposition passed only because of the OVERWHELMING support of blacks and latinos.

The you will be disappointed in his Chief of Staff, a former member of Clinton's staff. Appointing a hard-line disciplinarian such as him for that particular position doesn't quite fit what people think Obama was going to do.

In response to Coli's quotes: He was making a relative comparison.

I just slipped on the floor and the loving hand of Obama was not there to catch me...

My freshman college roommate transfered to Harvard from U. of Rochester in the spring. This kid was a box of rocks. When I came back from winter break he was packing his stuff (and stealing mine) and said he was transferring to HAHverd. I looked at him and and asked, "Harvard? How the f*** did you get into to Harvard?" He replied, "Oh, I know somebody..."

She wasn't running for president in case you hadn't noticed.

It was reported last night - look for it yourself.

The data doesn't show any of this to be true. The exit polls show Palin was a net plus. What she lost by not bringing in women, she gained by energizing the base and pulling in donations.