Gene Frenkle Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Well, not to be a dick about it, but I actually have done the reading and have now more than said my piece. It would be nice to be able to believe what you guys are talking about. It would be nice if a return to the "old ways" was really better for everyone. The truth is that industrial farming does less to harm the environment and is a more efficient use of land and resources than small, so-called sustainable farming. There's nothing more I can say about it. Most people are going to believe what they want and it's no skin off my back. A funny thought just occurred to me. We are literally talking about 'sacred cows' here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Well, not to be a dick about it, but I actually have done the reading and have now more than said my piece. It would be nice to be able to believe what you guys are talking about. It would be nice if a return to the "old ways" was really better for everyone. The truth is that industrial farming does less to harm the environment and is a more efficient use of land and resources than small, so-called sustainable farming. There's nothing more I can say about it. Most people are going to believe what they want and it's no skin off my back. A funny thought just occurred to me. We are literally talking about 'sacred cows' here. Well if you have a problem with the whole organic faming thing you can blame your government that you love so dearly seeing they're the ones regulating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Well, not to be a dick about it, but I actually have done the reading and have now more than said my piece. It would be nice to be able to believe what you guys are talking about. It would be nice if a return to the "old ways" was really better for everyone. The truth is that industrial farming does less to harm the environment and is a more efficient use of land and resources than small, so-called sustainable farming. There's nothing more I can say about it. Most people are going to believe what they want and it's no skin off my back. A funny thought just occurred to me. We are literally talking about 'sacred cows' here. talk about 'sacred cows', what part of my last post was refutable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Well if you have a problem with the whole organic faming thing you can blame your government that you love so dearly seeing they're the ones regulating it. To me it's no different than herbal remedies or homeopathy. People are moving lots of product and making lots of money by misleading others with virtually no regulation by the FDA or any other organization. If prescription drugs approvals were handled with such a lack of scrutiny, we would have some serious issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 talk about 'sacred cows', what part of my last post was refutable? That would imply that I read your last post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 That would imply that I read your last post. but you read this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 but you read this one? I just missed it dude, relax! Here's a good article talking about what you brought up (a.k.a. some of the research I failed to do). It doesn't bring up the Nitrous Oxide problem specifically, but I think it's fair to say that objectively that a pattern can be seen here. http://www.reason.com/blog/show/126276.html Myth one: Organic farming is good for the environment The study of Life Cycle Assessments (LCAs) for the UK, sponsored by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, should concern anyone who buys organic. It shows that milk and dairy production is a major source of greenhouse gas emissions (GHGs). A litre of organic milk requires 80 per cent more land than conventional milk to produce, has 20 per cent greater global warming potential, releases 60 per cent more nutrients to water sources, and contributes 70 per cent more to acid rain.... Myth two: Organic farming is more sustainable Organic potatoes use less energy in terms of fertiliser production, but need more fossil fuel for ploughing. A hectare of conventionally farmed land produces 2.5 times more potatoes than an organic one. Heated greenhouse tomatoes in Britain use up to 100 times more energy than those grown in fields in Africa. Organic yield is 75 per cent of conventional tomato crops but takes twice the energy – so the climate consequences of home-grown organic tomatoes exceed those of Kenyan imports... Myth four: Pesticide levels in conventional food are dangerous The proponents of organic food – particularly celebrities, such as Gwyneth Paltrow, who have jumped on the organic bandwagon – say there is a "cocktail effect" of pesticides. Some point to an "epidemic of cancer". In fact, there is no epidemic of cancer. When age-standardised, cancer rates are falling dramatically and have been doing so for 50 years... Myth five: Organic food is healthier To quote Hohenheim University: "No clear conclusions about the quality of organic food can be reached using the results of present literature and research results." What research there is does not support the claims made for organic food. Large studies in Holland, Denmark and Austria found the food-poisoning bacterium Campylobacter in 100 per cent of organic chicken flocks but only a third of conventional flocks; equal rates of contamination with Salmonella (despite many organic flocks being vaccinated against it); and 72 per cent of organic chickens infected with parasites... The Independent article concludes: In a serious age, we should talk about the future seriously and not use food scares and misinformation as a tactic to increase sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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