Canadian Bills Fan Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05...-it-an-upgrade/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 KC's obviously not geting enough sex, either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05...-it-an-upgrade/ Already posted this morning in one of the other 50 Pisa Tinoisamoa threads. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=89174 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Ike Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Already posted this morning in one of the other 50 Pisa Tinoisamoa threads. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=89174 I feel like this guy just makes up intersting statistics that don't really say anything. I wonder who his top performing LBs are? If they're a bunch of stiffs it kind of defeats the purpose of these complex stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afcfan1 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 The guy racked up some tackles on a garbage defense. Who Cares? He's not quick, undersized and St. Louis frickin cut the guy. THey need all the defensive help they can get, and they had no use for him. All this guy will do is take up $$ that should be spent rebuilding the OL and DL In my opinion, a better move would be to sign D Brooks for less $$, and have some of the younger LBs learn from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 The guy racked up some tackles on a garbage defense. Who Cares? He's not quick, undersized and St. Louis frickin cut the guy. THey need all the defensive help they can get, and they had no use for him. All this guy will do is take up $$ that should be spent rebuilding the OL and DL In my opinion, a better move would be to sign D Brooks for less $$, and have some of the younger LBs learn from him. you're so smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 you're so smart Ignore the tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05...-it-an-upgrade/ I'm so glad I read this article. It absolutely proves my point of how stupid all of these "metric" personal stats are. We can start with this one statement towards the beginning: "...Ellison is a career backup, and Tinoisamoa led St. Louis defenders in tackles last year." Gee, that sounds like signing Tinoisamoa to replace Ellison would be an upgrade to me. But then the "over-statistical jerk" , as Marv Levy might refer to him, compared his Point of Attack (POA) blocks, yards per attempt allowed and gap fills for both players, and it seems that Tinoisamoa might not be that much better the Ellison after all. Gap fills?? Here's the only stats that matter to me, although I have to admit I am not a statistics major: Tinoisamoa, '08: 104 Tackles, 3.0 Sacks, 2 Forced Fumbles. Ellison, '08: 73 Tackles, 0.0 Sacks 0 Forced Fumbles. So, yes KC Joyner, signing Tinoisamoa and starting him in place of Ellison really is an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostradamus Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I'm so glad I read this article. It absolutely proves my point of how stupid all of these "metric" personal stats are. We can start with this one statement towards the beginning: "...Ellison is a career backup, and Tinoisamoa led St. Louis defenders in tackles last year." Gee, that sounds like signing Tinoisamoa to replace Ellison would be an upgrade to me. But then the "over-statistical jerk" , as Marv Levy might refer to him, compared his Point of Attack (POA) blocks, yards per attempt allowed and gap fills for both players, and it seems that Tinoisamoa might not be that much better the Ellison after all. Gap fills?? Here's the only stats that matter to me, although I have to admit I am not a statistics major: Tinoisamoa, '08: 104 Tackles, 3.0 Sacks, 2 Forced Fumbles. Ellison, '08: 73 Tackles, 0.0 Sacks 0 Forced Fumbles. So, yes KC Joyner, signing Tinoisamoa and starting him in place of Ellison really is an upgrade. Ellison made 73 tackles?? That is about 70 more than I remember seeing him make last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastly23 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 HES THE LAST PISA TO THE PUZZLE!!!! PISA > ELLISON. NO QUESTION WHAT ANYONE TELLS ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 well, if you really think about it----someone has to make the tackles on even a really bad defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NishP Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 he's not the best linebacker in the world but he is good, would fit perfectly an he looks like he should be a bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Ellison did carry one time for 6 yards on 4th and 6 against the Jets...First down Bills! hahaha Really though that was a good fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 The guy racked up some tackles on a garbage defense. Who Cares? He's not quick, undersized and St. Louis frickin cut the guy. THey need all the defensive help they can get, and they had no use for him. All this guy will do is take up $$ that should be spent rebuilding the OL and DL In my opinion, a better move would be to sign D Brooks for less $$, and have some of the younger LBs learn from him. It doesn't look like Brooks is at all sure that he even wants to play anymore. I love him too, but there's a very good chance he will not be available, or if he is, it will be on his timetable. We can't wait with Tinoisamoa available. If Brooks won't commit, we have to go with Pisa. I'd love Brooks also. There's not enough high-quality leadership on this team right now. Brooks would provide that, and lots of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I'm so glad I read this article. It absolutely proves my point of how stupid all of these "metric" personal stats are. We can start with this one statement towards the beginning: "...Ellison is a career backup, and Tinoisamoa led St. Louis defenders in tackles last year." Gee, that sounds like signing Tinoisamoa to replace Ellison would be an upgrade to me. But then the "over-statistical jerk" , as Marv Levy might refer to him, compared his Point of Attack (POA) blocks, yards per attempt allowed and gap fills for both players, and it seems that Tinoisamoa might not be that much better the Ellison after all. Gap fills?? Here's the only stats that matter to me, although I have to admit I am not a statistics major: Tinoisamoa, '08: 104 Tackles, 3.0 Sacks, 2 Forced Fumbles. Ellison, '08: 73 Tackles, 0.0 Sacks 0 Forced Fumbles. So, yes KC Joyner, signing Tinoisamoa and starting him in place of Ellison really is an upgrade. So if the stats agree with your personal opinions about the player, you like them, and if they don't, you don't think they matter. Got it. It's not just you that feels this way, obviously. But IMHO, ignoring stats because you don't like what they say is imprecise thinking. Explaining why the stat shows these things is another thing entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I am not usually on the boat when it comes to signing someone I have heard off or signing somebody who plays a position we need who was just cut by a team. But this is the rare exception as I think he is without a doubt a better version of ellison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamRoller67 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 The guy racked up some tackles on a garbage defense. Who Cares? He's not quick, undersized and St. Louis frickin cut the guy. THey need all the defensive help they can get, and they had no use for him. All this guy will do is take up $$ that should be spent rebuilding the OL and DL In my opinion, a better move would be to sign D Brooks for less $$, and have some of the younger LBs learn from him. So, have you seen Pisa play? I didn't think so...... D. Brooks is 36....how many good 36 year old LBers do you know of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsrcursed Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 The guy racked up some tackles on a garbage defense. Who Cares? He's not quick, undersized and St. Louis frickin cut the guy. THey need all the defensive help they can get, and they had no use for him. All this guy will do is take up $$ that should be spent rebuilding the OL and DL In my opinion, a better move would be to sign D Brooks for less $$, and have some of the younger LBs learn from him. This coming from the same person who bags on TO for being "old"..... please just GTFO....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I feel like this guy just makes up intersting statistics that don't really say anything. I wonder who his top performing LBs are? If they're a bunch of stiffs it kind of defeats the purpose of these complex stats Yeah, one thing I don't like about Joyner is that he doesn't post links so that you can see the whole league's rankings in the stats that he talks about, or how he arrives at those stats. He makes you search for it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 So, have you seen Pisa play?I didn't think so...... D. Brooks is 36....how many good 36 year old LBers do you know of? A lot more than one. The Pats* alone have Seau and Bruschi. Do you think that might tell us something, that such a successful franchise doesn't mind an older LB or two if they have character, football intelligence and can still play? Like, say, Brooks. Both of them are good players. Smash your head against the wall all you like, it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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