DrDawkinstein Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Rex Ryan http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3843812 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 There's some hope since previous Ravens DCs have failed (Lewis, Nolan). But on the other hand...he was running one hell of a defense these past few years, and getting great play from Justin freakign Bannan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 There's some hope since previous Ravens DCs have failed (Lewis, Nolan). But on the other hand...he was running one hell of a defense these past few years, and getting great play from Justin freakign Bannan. And the slow, talentless Jim Leonhard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 There's some hope since previous Ravens DCs have failed (Lewis, Nolan). But on the other hand...he was running one hell of a defense these past few years, and getting great play from Justin freakign Bannan. he wont have the LBs or Secondary that Baltimore has. It will suck if he can bring the Ravens style of D with him, but as you noted, so far Lewis nor Nolan have been able to re-create it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 he wont have the LBs or Secondary that Baltimore has. It will suck if he can bring the Ravens style of D with him, but as you noted, so far Lewis nor Nolan have been able to re-create it. Getting his guys to play hard for him is the first step. If he can accomplish that (see Cardinals, Arizona), good things will come of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 There's some hope since previous Ravens DCs have failed (Lewis, Nolan). But on the other hand...he was running one hell of a defense these past few years, and getting great play from Justin freakign Bannan. I love how Bannan plays great, yet Kyle Williams with better overall stats sucks? The Ravens have arguably the one of the top players at every level of their defense (sometimes 2- Suggs and Lewis at LB). You can plug almost any player in that system and they will be success. The Jets have a long way to go before they come close to getting the Ravens' personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 ok so the afc east looks to be shaping up like: Pats: Coaching and Front Office all but dessimated. Only one left is Belichick Jets: New HC is a first timer, former DC, we'll se how he puts his staff together Bills: we all know what we have Dolphins: Parcells and Co. Id say the Phins may have the best coaching staff/FO at this time. yes no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 ok so the afc east looks to be shaping up like: Pats: Coaching and Front Office all but dessimated. Only one left is Belichick Jets: New HC is a first timer, former DC, we'll se how he puts his staff together Bills: we all know what we have Dolphins: Parcells and Co. Id say the Phins may have the best coaching staff/FO at this time. yes no? Until proven otherwise, the PAts* are always the best. I respect what they Fins did and that fat guy did a good job, but they got every break in the book (playing Buffalo on the road in November in a dome; playing SF without Gore; Favre handing them a game; easy schedule). I believe they will come crashing back to earth next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 The Jets may not have the Ravens level of defensive talent, but a lot of it is about attitude, and philosophy. The jets had to overturn their roster from Herm's Tampa 2 defense, and bring in the players to run Mangini's 3-4. The problem with Mangini's 3-4 is he runs that Belichick defense that is conservative in nature. Basically a bend but don't break philosophy. The difference between the jets/ne? The Pats had a lot of front 7 talent over the years in Seymour/Wilfork/Warren, Colvin/Vrabel etc etc. It's a conservative scheme that relied on the talent of the players to creature pressure, rather then forcing pressure through blitz packages. Rex Ryan switched up his schemes running a 3-4 and a 4-3 While the jets don't have the players we all know from the Ravens d there is some talent there. Kris Jenkins/Shaun Ellis are able to play in both schemes. Although there's legit questions about how well Jenkins can play nt in a 3-4. They have a versatile lb core with thomas/pace/harris, and gholston I believe they'll try to use him like the Ravens used suggs. Occasionaly at lb, but the majority of the time as a hands down dend. The Jets have a very good corner in Revis, and a good safety. While he's no Ed Reed Kerry Rhodes is no slouch. They have players capable of running a more agressive defense which Rex Ryan will employ. Meanwhile we get to watch another year of conservative wait for the ball to come to you defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 Until proven otherwise, the PAts* are always the best. I respect what they Fins did and that fat guy did a good job, but they got every break in the book (playing Buffalo on the road in November in a dome; playing SF without Gore; Favre handing them a game; easy schedule). I believe they will come crashing back to earth next year. i wasnt commenting on team performance. im talking about how their coaches/FO look "on paper" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 The pats have lost coaches over the years with little to no difference. The loss of Thomas Dimitroff and Pioli the last 2 years may start to show up down the line, in the larger scope of things. The coaching staff will be negligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I think that Belicheck guy might be ok in NE. Rex Ryan is a good pick for the Jets, they just need a QB. Miami will have a tougher time next year. Buffalo is one big question mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 maybe one less team in conference will be running a 3 - 4 giving us a chance to go 1 - 5 next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I love how Bannan plays great, yet Kyle Williams with better overall stats sucks? The Ravens have arguably the one of the top players at every level of their defense (sometimes 2- Suggs and Lewis at LB). You can plug almost any player in that system and they will be success. The Jets have a long way to go before they come close to getting the Ravens' personnel. Sure they do. Like the Dolphins took all of 9 months to turn their personnel from worst in the NFL to first in the AFC East? Now I know Bill Parcells isn't running the Jets, but come on, teams turn things around from one year to the next every single season. Except for the ever consistent 7-9-0 Buffalo Bills of course. But every other team in the NFL has the ability to take advantage of free agency and the draft and make the playoffs after horrible seasons the year before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 The Jets have a big Question Mark over the QB position....If Favre does not return (which is very likely), then Ryan is starting with a new QB and not great talent on the offensive side....Plus the AFC East will play the tough AFC South and NFC South next year.....NO game will be a gimme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I fully expect the Jets defense to be some what solid next year. I also think if Favre retires yet again, that move alone sets that team back 3 years, possibly even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 Sure they do. Like the Dolphins took all of 9 months to turn their personnel from worst in the NFL to first in the AFC East? Now I know Bill Parcells isn't running the Jets, but come on, teams turn things around from one year to the next every single season. Except for the ever consistent 7-9-0 Buffalo Bills of course. But every other team in the NFL has the ability to take advantage of free agency and the draft and make the playoffs after horrible seasons the year before. i believe the Jets are already well over the cap. the difference here is that Miami 1. wasnt, and 2. had an owner who didnt mind eating whatever salaries he had to in order to clear house and rebuild. not every team is in a position to do what Miami did last year. it is why they are the anomaly and not the norm. yeesh, you guys get ONE example to go one and expect everyone else to be able to pull it off... just like Julian Peterson being the only player to come back from an achilles injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Cool, hopefully he's another Marvin Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 i believe the Jets are already well over the cap. the difference here is that Miami 1. wasnt, and 2. had an owner who didnt mind eating whatever salaries he had to in order to clear house and rebuild. not every team is in a position to do what Miami did last year. it is why they are the anomaly and not the norm. yeesh, you guys get ONE example to go one and expect everyone else to be able to pull it off... just like Julian Peterson being the only player to come back from an achilles injury The Dolphins are the anomaly. What were the Falcons, Ravens, Cardinals, Vikings & Panthers? Oh wait I know, they were all teams that missed the playoffs in '07 only to improve and make the playoffs in '08. That makes a total of 6 anomalies this past season, not one. The Jets, not quite a playoff anomaly in '08, still improved their record by 5 games over '07. I know Mangini lost the team at 8-3-0, going 1-4-0 down the stretch and getting fired for it. But you think they can't improve by one or two games in '09 and make the playoffs next season??? Sure I used the best example available from one season to the next. But the Dolphins were certainly not the only example of how teams can change fortunes from bad to great in 9 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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