How does Willis for Peerless look now?

[BenchBledsoe]

I for one loved the Willis pick. He was a certain #3 overall pick to Houston until his knee went bye-bye. The other pick likely at that point, some will remember, was William Joseph (DT out of Miami, Fla. that is currently struggling for the Giants.)

 

And what about Peerless' horrendous numbers in Atlanta? I thought everone said last year it was because Vick was hurt? What's the excuse now? Peerless is not a top receiver in this league. He has had one good year out of 5 or 6.

 

And now, Willis appears to be the real deal. He is consistently driving for the extra yard. And, Like Edgerrin James, his original burst will come back in time. He has top 3 Heisman candidate talent. Can you imagine how really great this trade will look when Travis is long gone? Peerless Price is simply going to be the answer to a trivia question. . .

[Terry Tate]

I for one loved the Willis pick. He was a certain #3 overall pick to Houston until his knee went bye-bye. The other pick likely at that point, some will remember, was  William Joseph (DT out of Miami, Fla. that is currently struggling for the Giants.)

 

And what about Peerless' horrendous numbers in Atlanta? I thought everone said last year it was because Vick was hurt? What's the excuse now? Peerless is not a top receiver in this league. He has had one good year out of 5 or 6.

 

And now, Willis appears to be the real deal. He is consistently driving for the extra yard. And, Like Edgerrin James, his original burst will come back in time. He has top 3 Heisman candidate talent. Can you imagine how really great this trade will look when Travis is long gone? Peerless Price is simply going to be the answer to a trivia question. . .

91982[/snapback]

 

I agree. But the first thing I thought of when you brought up the two of them in one post was the separate images of them in Bills uniforms quitting on a play. Weird, huh?

[Tux of Borg]

At the time I thought TD tenure here at Buffalo would be based on the McGahee pick. Right now he's starting to look like a genius for it. Things have changed a bit and I think his future here will now be based on the Losman pick.

[BenchBledsoe]

At the time I thought TD tenure here at Buffalo would be based on the McGahee pick.  Right now he's starting to look like a genius for it.  Things have changed a bit and I think his future here will now be based on the Losman pick.

91992[/snapback]

Maybe true. But, does anyone have preseason stats for JP? We seemed to have a high percentage of scoring drives with him in there. I especially remember watching the Denver game where he was perfect (8 for 8?) before missing a pass.

I am usually not optimistic by nature, but the kid gives me the warm fuzzies!

Anyone have cumulative preseason stats, including drives he led vs. those ending in scores?

[Mile High]

I for one loved the Willis pick. He was a certain #3 overall pick to Houston until his knee went bye-bye. The other pick likely at that point, some will remember, was  William Joseph (DT out of Miami, Fla. that is currently struggling for the Giants.)

 

And what about Peerless' horrendous numbers in Atlanta? I thought everone said last year it was because Vick was hurt? What's the excuse now? Peerless is not a top receiver in this league. He has had one good year out of 5 or 6.

 

And now, Willis appears to be the real deal. He is consistently driving for the extra yard. And, Like Edgerrin James, his original burst will come back in time. He has top 3 Heisman candidate talent. Can you imagine how really great this trade will look when Travis is long gone? Peerless Price is simply going to be the answer to a trivia question. . .

91982[/snapback]

 

I don't know I'm kinda tore on this issue. I feel strongly that it's still a little premature to call TD a genius or this a good trade. When Travis is long gone and Willis plays great (for 16 nfl games) or even as good as Henry has in the past couple years, then I'll agree with the trade. But for now it still remains to be seen. Don't get me wrong I'm a Willis fan 100% I just feel it's early. However if JP is half of what everyone is hyping him up to be then TD is a genius in my book. With in the next 2 to 3 years the Bills are going to be something to watch for years to come. We just have to say bye bye to Drew and fix the oline asap (hopefully this off season).

[BenchBledsoe]

I don't know I'm kinda tore on this issue.  I feel strongly that it's still a little premature to call TD a genius or this a good trade.  When Travis is long gone and Willis plays great (for 16 nfl games) or even as good as Henry has in the past couple years, then I'll agree with the trade.  But for now it still remains to be seen.  Don't get me wrong I'm a Willis fan 100% I just feel it's early.  However if JP is half of what everyone is hyping him up to be then TD is a genius in my book.  With in the next 2 to 3 years the Bills are going to be something to watch for years to come.  We just have to say bye bye to Drew and fix the oline asap (hopefully this off season).

92002[/snapback]

I live in the Denver area. . . Looking at your user name I'm guessing you do too, correct? Is there a Denver area Bills Backers bar?

[TigerJ]

On another board, there is a fan who's convinced that trading Price was about the worst thing TD ever did, and that all the "stuff" that happened before the trade that made Peerless look like a selfish, money grabbing, egocentric, crybaby was a Tom Donahoe conspiracy to discredit him. Yeah, I know, not many people agreed with him there either.

[MartyBall4Buffalo]

JP PRESEASON STATS WEEK 1 PRESEASON BUFFALO VS DENVER

 

1-10-BUF11 (4:57) J.Losman in at QB. J.Losman up the middle to BUF 16 for 5 yards (D.Williams).

2-5-BUF16 (4:22) K.Simonton up the middle to BUF 19 for 3 yards (M.Pope, D.Spragan).

3-2-BUF19 (3:43) (Shotgun) J.Losman pass to J.Smith to BUF 31 for 12 yards (R.Alexander). Caught at BUF 21, left sideline.

1-10-BUF31 (3:13) J.Losman pass to J.Myers pushed ob at BUF 47 for 16 yards (R.Alexander). Caught at BUF 47, left sideline.

1-10-BUF47 (2:48) PENALTY on BUF-R.Trafford, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 47 - No Play.

1-15-BUF42 (2:29) K.Simonton up the middle to BUF 43 for 1 yard (R.Hayward, C.Burton).

2-14-BUF43 (1:46) J.Losman pass to J.Smith pushed ob at BUF 49 for 6 yards (J.Shoate).

PENALTY on DEN-D.Spragan, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 43 - No Play.

1-10-BUF48 (1:12) J.Losman pass to T.Euhus to DEN 38 for 14 yards (S.Brandon). Caught at DEN 42, right side.

1-10-DEN38 (1:12) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 34 for 4 yards (D.Spragan).

1-10-DEN38 (:35) K.Simonton left tackle to DEN 34 for 4 yards (D.Spragan).

 

1-10-DEN38 (15:00) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 31 for 7 yards (C.Young).

3-3-DEN31 (14:21) K.Simonton left tackle to DEN 27 for 4 yards (M.Pope, B.McNeal).

1-10-DEN27 (13:35) J.Losman pass to J.Myers ran ob at DEN 15 for 12 yards. Caught at DEN 15, left sideline.

1-10-DEN15 (13:10) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 13 for 2 yards (S.Brandon; N.Eason).

2-8-DEN13 (12:23) PENALTY on BUF, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 13 - No Play.

2-13-DEN18 (12:02) J.Losman pass to K.Simonton to DEN 17 for 1 yard (R.Alexander). screen Pass

3-12-DEN17 (11:18) (Shotgun) J.Losman sacked at DEN 27 for -10 yards (P.Chukwurah).

PENALTY on DEN-J.LeSueur, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 17 - No Play.

1-10-DEN12 (10:56) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 10 for 2 yards (M.Fatafehi).

2-8-DEN10 (10:14) K.Simonton left tackle to DEN 13 for -3 yards (D.Williams).

3-11-DEN13 (9:31) J.Losman right end to DEN 7 for 6 yards (J.Shoate).

4-5-DEN7 (8:38) R.Lindell 25 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Dorenbos, Holder-B.Moorman.

DEN 6 BUF 13, Plays: 16 Yards: 82 Possession: 11:21.

 

1-10-BUF33 (3:59) S.Williams up the middle to BUF 41 for 8 yards (C.Young, P.Chukwurah).

2-2-BUF41 (3:23) S.Williams right guard to BUF 44 for 3 yards (R.Garner, L.Green).

1-10-BUF44 (2:43) J.Losman right tackle pushed ob at DEN 30 for 26 yards (P.Chukwurah). Naked Bootleg

1-10-DEN30 (2:33) S.Williams left tackle to DEN 26 for 4 yards (C.Young).

2-6-DEN26 (2:27) S.Williams up the middle to DEN 26 for no gain (L.Green; J.LeSueur).

3-6-DEN26 (2:21) L.Lawton up the middle to DEN 24 for 2 yards (S.Brandon; J.Rutledge).

4-4-DEN24 (2:15) R.Lindell 42 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Dorenbos, Holder-B.Moorman.

DEN 6 BUF 16, Plays: 7 Yards: 43 Possession: 1:49.

 

JP Losmans stats for that game 5/5 55 yards sacked once 3 runs for 37 yards a long of 26

 

Week 2 of preseason Bills/Titans

 

JP Losman was 4/6 for 23 yards 4 runs for 43 yards and a long of 15. he lead on on 2 potential scoring drives in this game one where lindell missed a 46 yard fg wide left and another where lindell hit a fg from 49 yards

 

So for his limited preseason Losmans combined stats were 9/11 for 78 yards o tds o int's and lead us on 3 fg scoring drives against teams 3rd string defenses. He also had 7 rushing attempts for 80 yards With a long of 26. Not bad for a rookie but nothing that eye popping.

[swede316]

We would never had re-signed Peerless........He wanted alot of money..No way we coulda afforded him......As evidenced by his Atlanta performane..TD made a great trade...Now if JP turns out to be the next Jim Kelly or atleast Doug Flutie...He'll have saved his job.

[BenchBledsoe]

On another board, there is a fan who's convinced that trading Price was about the worst thing TD ever did, and that all the "stuff" that happened before the trade that made Peerless look like a selfish, money grabbing, egocentric, crybaby was a Tom Donahoe conspiracy to discredit him.  Yeah, I know, not many people agreed with him there either.

92009[/snapback]

Yeah right. . . and it was part of TD's conspiracy to force Peerless to say out loud that he wanted to go somewhere where he could be the # 1 WR.

[Mile High]

JP PRESEASON STATS WEEK 1 PRESEASON BUFFALO VS DENVER

 

1-10-BUF11 (4:57) J.Losman in at QB. J.Losman up the middle to BUF 16 for 5 yards (D.Williams).

2-5-BUF16 (4:22) K.Simonton up the middle to BUF 19 for 3 yards (M.Pope, D.Spragan).

3-2-BUF19 (3:43) (Shotgun) J.Losman pass to J.Smith to BUF 31 for 12 yards (R.Alexander). Caught at BUF 21, left sideline.

1-10-BUF31 (3:13) J.Losman pass to J.Myers pushed ob at BUF 47 for 16 yards (R.Alexander). Caught at BUF 47, left sideline.

1-10-BUF47 (2:48) PENALTY on BUF-R.Trafford, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 47 - No Play.

1-15-BUF42 (2:29) K.Simonton up the middle to BUF 43 for 1 yard (R.Hayward, C.Burton).

2-14-BUF43 (1:46) J.Losman pass to J.Smith pushed ob at BUF 49 for 6 yards (J.Shoate).

PENALTY on DEN-D.Spragan, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 43 - No Play.

1-10-BUF48 (1:12) J.Losman pass to T.Euhus to DEN 38 for 14 yards (S.Brandon). Caught at DEN 42, right side.

1-10-DEN38 (1:12) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 34 for 4 yards (D.Spragan).

1-10-DEN38 (:35) K.Simonton left tackle to DEN 34 for 4 yards (D.Spragan).

 

1-10-DEN38 (15:00) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 31 for 7 yards (C.Young).

3-3-DEN31 (14:21) K.Simonton left tackle to DEN 27 for 4 yards (M.Pope, B.McNeal).

1-10-DEN27 (13:35) J.Losman pass to J.Myers ran ob at DEN 15 for 12 yards. Caught at DEN 15, left sideline.

1-10-DEN15 (13:10) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 13 for 2 yards (S.Brandon; N.Eason).

2-8-DEN13 (12:23) PENALTY on BUF, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 13 - No Play.

2-13-DEN18 (12:02) J.Losman pass to K.Simonton to DEN 17 for 1 yard (R.Alexander). screen Pass

3-12-DEN17 (11:18) (Shotgun) J.Losman sacked at DEN 27 for -10 yards (P.Chukwurah).

PENALTY on DEN-J.LeSueur, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 17 - No Play.

1-10-DEN12 (10:56) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 10 for 2 yards (M.Fatafehi).

2-8-DEN10 (10:14) K.Simonton left tackle to DEN 13 for -3 yards (D.Williams).

3-11-DEN13 (9:31) J.Losman right end to DEN 7 for 6 yards (J.Shoate).

4-5-DEN7 (8:38) R.Lindell 25 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Dorenbos, Holder-B.Moorman.

DEN 6  BUF 13,  Plays: 16  Yards: 82  Possession: 11:21.

 

1-10-BUF33 (3:59) S.Williams up the middle to BUF 41 for 8 yards (C.Young, P.Chukwurah).

2-2-BUF41 (3:23) S.Williams right guard to BUF 44 for 3 yards (R.Garner, L.Green).

1-10-BUF44 (2:43) J.Losman right tackle pushed ob at DEN 30 for 26 yards (P.Chukwurah). Naked Bootleg

1-10-DEN30 (2:33) S.Williams left tackle to DEN 26 for 4 yards (C.Young).

2-6-DEN26 (2:27) S.Williams up the middle to DEN 26 for no gain (L.Green; J.LeSueur).

3-6-DEN26 (2:21) L.Lawton up the middle to DEN 24 for 2 yards (S.Brandon; J.Rutledge).

4-4-DEN24 (2:15) R.Lindell 42 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Dorenbos, Holder-B.Moorman.

DEN 6  BUF 16,  Plays: 7  Yards: 43  Possession: 1:49.

 

JP Losmans stats for that game 5/5  55 yards sacked once 3 runs for 37 yards a long of 26

 

Week 2 of preseason Bills/Titans

 

JP Losman was 4/6 for 23 yards 4 runs for 43 yards and a long of 15. he lead on on 2 potential scoring drives in this game one where lindell missed a 46 yard fg wide left and another where lindell hit a fg from 49 yards

 

So for his limited preseason Losmans combined stats were 9/11 for 78 yards o tds o int's and lead us on 3 fg scoring drives against teams 3rd string defenses. He  also had 7 rushing attempts for  80 yards With a long of 26.  Not bad for a rookie but nothing that eye popping.

92010[/snapback]

 

And not to mention it is preseason and he did come in after Brown... So he was up against Denvers scrubs. Sooooo it's still yet to be seen.

[BenchBledsoe]

And not to mention it is preseason and he did come in after Brown...  So he was up against Denvers scrubs.  Sooooo it's still yet to be seen.

92022[/snapback]

It may have been against scrubs, but he seemed to have full command of the offense, and was very accurate and very elusive as a runner. He had the longest run of the game that night!

[Pete]

And not to mention it is preseason and he did come in after Brown...  So he was up against Denvers scrubs.  Sooooo it's still yet to be seen.

92022[/snapback]

 

 

 

Pass to J. Smith. Run by K. Simonton. J Meyers. S. Williams R. Trafford. JP didnt exactly have an all star team behind him. 9/11 78 yards, 3 for 3 for scoring drives and he averaged over 10 yards a carry. Very solid!

[Fezmid]

Saw a highlight from the Falcons/Chiefs game. Pefect pass to Price, bounce dout of his hands and into the defensive back's hands. Reminded me of our game against the Ravens.

 

Even if WM sucks, it was a good trade -- WM is much cheaper than PP was.

CW

[BenchBledsoe]

I'm not saying JP isn't going to have some growing pains, obviously he is. But, could it really be any worse than what we've been subjected to thus far?

 

Here's a "growing pain" analogy:

 

1) JP will be like a teenage boy who has hit a growth spurt and his legs hurt.

 

2) Drew is like a grown man. . . Dr. Bruce Banner. . . who is turning into The Hulk.

 

Which hurts more?

[Fezmid]

I'm not saying JP isn't going to have some growing pains, obviously he is. But, could it really be any worse than what we've been subjected to thus far?

 

Here's a "growing pain" analogy:

 

1) JP will be like a teenage boy who has hit a growth spurt and his legs hurt.

 

2) Drew is like a grown man. . . Dr. Bruce Banner. . . who is turning into The Hulk.

 

Which hurts more?

92039[/snapback]

 

If DB turned into the hulk, nobody would ever be able to sack him!

 

CW

[BenchBledsoe]

If DB turned into the hulk, nobody would ever be able to sack him!

 

CW

92040[/snapback]

Or it could be said he's like The Hulk in that he doesn't really think, and if cornered, he makes a big mess out of everything.

[John from Riverside]

JP PRESEASON STATS WEEK 1 PRESEASON BUFFALO VS DENVER

 

1-10-BUF11 (4:57) J.Losman in at QB. J.Losman up the middle to BUF 16 for 5 yards (D.Williams).

2-5-BUF16 (4:22) K.Simonton up the middle to BUF 19 for 3 yards (M.Pope, D.Spragan).

3-2-BUF19 (3:43) (Shotgun) J.Losman pass to J.Smith to BUF 31 for 12 yards (R.Alexander). Caught at BUF 21, left sideline.

1-10-BUF31 (3:13) J.Losman pass to J.Myers pushed ob at BUF 47 for 16 yards (R.Alexander). Caught at BUF 47, left sideline.

1-10-BUF47 (2:48) PENALTY on BUF-R.Trafford, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 47 - No Play.

1-15-BUF42 (2:29) K.Simonton up the middle to BUF 43 for 1 yard (R.Hayward, C.Burton).

2-14-BUF43 (1:46) J.Losman pass to J.Smith pushed ob at BUF 49 for 6 yards (J.Shoate).

PENALTY on DEN-D.Spragan, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 43 - No Play.

1-10-BUF48 (1:12) J.Losman pass to T.Euhus to DEN 38 for 14 yards (S.Brandon). Caught at DEN 42, right side.

1-10-DEN38 (1:12) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 34 for 4 yards (D.Spragan).

1-10-DEN38 (:35) K.Simonton left tackle to DEN 34 for 4 yards (D.Spragan).

 

1-10-DEN38 (15:00) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 31 for 7 yards (C.Young).

3-3-DEN31 (14:21) K.Simonton left tackle to DEN 27 for 4 yards (M.Pope, B.McNeal).

1-10-DEN27 (13:35) J.Losman pass to J.Myers ran ob at DEN 15 for 12 yards. Caught at DEN 15, left sideline.

1-10-DEN15 (13:10) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 13 for 2 yards (S.Brandon; N.Eason).

2-8-DEN13 (12:23) PENALTY on BUF, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 13 - No Play.

2-13-DEN18 (12:02) J.Losman pass to K.Simonton to DEN 17 for 1 yard (R.Alexander). screen Pass

3-12-DEN17 (11:18) (Shotgun) J.Losman sacked at DEN 27 for -10 yards (P.Chukwurah).

PENALTY on DEN-J.LeSueur, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 17 - No Play.

1-10-DEN12 (10:56) K.Simonton up the middle to DEN 10 for 2 yards (M.Fatafehi).

2-8-DEN10 (10:14) K.Simonton left tackle to DEN 13 for -3 yards (D.Williams).

3-11-DEN13 (9:31) J.Losman right end to DEN 7 for 6 yards (J.Shoate).

4-5-DEN7 (8:38) R.Lindell 25 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Dorenbos, Holder-B.Moorman.

DEN 6  BUF 13,  Plays: 16  Yards: 82  Possession: 11:21.

 

1-10-BUF33 (3:59) S.Williams up the middle to BUF 41 for 8 yards (C.Young, P.Chukwurah).

2-2-BUF41 (3:23) S.Williams right guard to BUF 44 for 3 yards (R.Garner, L.Green).

1-10-BUF44 (2:43) J.Losman right tackle pushed ob at DEN 30 for 26 yards (P.Chukwurah). Naked Bootleg

1-10-DEN30 (2:33) S.Williams left tackle to DEN 26 for 4 yards (C.Young).

2-6-DEN26 (2:27) S.Williams up the middle to DEN 26 for no gain (L.Green; J.LeSueur).

3-6-DEN26 (2:21) L.Lawton up the middle to DEN 24 for 2 yards (S.Brandon; J.Rutledge).

4-4-DEN24 (2:15) R.Lindell 42 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Dorenbos, Holder-B.Moorman.

DEN 6  BUF 16,  Plays: 7  Yards: 43  Possession: 1:49.

 

JP Losmans stats for that game 5/5  55 yards sacked once 3 runs for 37 yards a long of 26

 

Week 2 of preseason Bills/Titans

 

JP Losman was 4/6 for 23 yards 4 runs for 43 yards and a long of 15. he lead on on 2 potential scoring drives in this game one where lindell missed a 46 yard fg wide left and another where lindell hit a fg from 49 yards

 

So for his limited preseason Losmans combined stats were 9/11 for 78 yards o tds o int's and lead us on 3 fg scoring drives against teams 3rd string defenses. He  also had 7 rushing attempts for  80 yards With a long of 26.  Not bad for a rookie but nothing that eye popping.

92010[/snapback]

 

Nothing that eye popping? Yeah if your Michael Vick or Donavan McNabb....

 

QB's are NOT supposed to have those kinds of yards rushing......man is Losman a weapon or what......

 

I get a little more pissed at Vincent with each passing day

[Fla Bills Fan]

I don't know I'm kinda tore on this issue.  I feel strongly that it's still a little premature to call TD a genius or this a good trade.  When Travis is long gone and Willis plays great (for 16 nfl games) or even as good as Henry has in the past couple years, then I'll agree with the trade.  But for now it still remains to be seen.  Don't get me wrong I'm a Willis fan 100% I just feel it's early.  However if JP is half of what everyone is hyping him up to be then TD is a genius in my book.  With in the next 2 to 3 years the Bills are going to be something to watch for years to come.  We just have to say bye bye to Drew and fix the oline asap (hopefully this off season).

92002[/snapback]

I think The pick of WM was the right one at the time, even if he is never as good as he could have been prior to the injury. If TD did not take him, I think another team would have before the 2nd round. His upside potential is tremendous, and we still got the player we wanted in round 2.

[Indy Dave]

Getting a #1 draft pick for Peerless was a great move by TD, the best he's made as our GM in my opinion. We were about to lose PP to free agency, so to turn that into a first-round pick was a great move.

But I think it's safe to say that the jury is still out on whether or not Willis was the right choice. It was a gamble, for sure, but I don't think that's going to be the defining moment to TD's tenure in Buffalo. I think that's going to be the trade that landed us JP.