SDS Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I apologize for yet another thread revolving around Jauron, but I thought this theory may have some legs. This dreadful franchise has been peddling hope for almost a decade now. With the economy the way it is and with season ticket sales surely to plummet next season - how does one peddle hope after the crash and burn of this season? Even if one can make the argument that Jauron deserves to stay or that Ralph would normally never buy out his contract, when you peddle hope - perception is reality. If the fan base has decided that this team is hopeless with Jauron - who is going to buck this economic downturn, reject the only message the Bills have to offer their fans, and purchase those tickets? Ralph, like it or not, may come to the conclusion that he has to fire Jauron or he will have nothing to offer the fans for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I apologize for yet another thread revolving around Jauron, but I thought this theory may have some legs. This dreadful franchise has been peddling hope for almost a decade now. With the economy the way it is and with season ticket sales surely to plummet next season - how does one peddle hope after the crash and burn of this season? Even if one can make the argument that Jauron deserves to stay or that Ralph would normally never buy out his contract, when you peddle hope - perception is reality. If the fan base has decided that this team is hopeless with Jauron - who is going to buck this economic downturn, reject the only message the Bills have to offer their fans, and purchase those tickets? Ralph, like it or not, may come to the conclusion that he has to fire Jauron or he will have nothing to offer the fans for next season. Exactly. Even more, they are really going to have problems selling tickets for those Toronto games as the novelty wears off and Toronto fans don't pay inflated prices for a sub-par product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I apologize for yet another thread revolving around Jauron, but I thought this theory may have some legs. This dreadful franchise has been peddling hope for almost a decade now. With the economy the way it is and with season ticket sales surely to plummet next season - how does one peddle hope after the crash and burn of this season? Even if one can make the argument that Jauron deserves to stay or that Ralph would normally never buy out his contract, when you peddle hope - perception is reality. If the fan base has decided that this team is hopeless with Jauron - who is going to buck this economic downturn, reject the only message the Bills have to offer their fans, and purchase those tickets? Ralph, like it or not, may come to the conclusion that he has to fire Jauron or he will have nothing to offer the fans for next season. While he's at it, he should bring in a real GM who understands how to build a team through the draft and via free agency. One who doesn't overpay for mediocre talent (Dockery, Walker, Kelsay) and one who doesn't squander draft picks (McCargo, Poz, Losman). That will translate to more wins more than (yet another) head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I apologize for yet another thread revolving around Jauron, but I thought this theory may have some legs. This dreadful franchise has been peddling hope for almost a decade now. With the economy the way it is and with season ticket sales surely to plummet next season - how does one peddle hope after the crash and burn of this season? Even if one can make the argument that Jauron deserves to stay or that Ralph would normally never buy out his contract, when you peddle hope - perception is reality. If the fan base has decided that this team is hopeless with Jauron - who is going to buck this economic downturn, reject the only message the Bills have to offer their fans, and purchase those tickets? Ralph, like it or not, may come to the conclusion that he has to fire Jauron or he will have nothing to offer the fans for next season. Good point. If the Bills finish 7-9, or even 8-8, this year; it's going to take more than a tweak here or there to convince fans that the team is making the right moves to get over that hump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 1. Is the Toronto game sold out? 2. Will it be blacked out in B-Lo? 3. How much are season tickets for next year? 4. Does the season ticket package include the "home" Toronto game? 5. When do season tickets go on sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 1/) Officially. Tickets are available, but they are returned visiting team tickets, and other fudgeables 2.) Nope, on TV 3.) Hasn't been announced 4.) No. 5.) Spring, but they haven't announced a date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 1/) Officially. Tickets are available, but they are returned visiting team tickets, and other fudgeables2.) Nope, on TV 3.) Hasn't been announced 4.) No. 5.) Spring, but they haven't announced a date Thanks man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Maybe Ralph can ask Jerry Jones & Dan Snyder for a bailout to help him pay for a better coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I apologize for yet another thread revolving around Jauron, but I thought this theory may have some legs. This dreadful franchise has been peddling hope for almost a decade now. With the economy the way it is and with season ticket sales surely to plummet next season - how does one peddle hope after the crash and burn of this season? Even if one can make the argument that Jauron deserves to stay or that Ralph would normally never buy out his contract, when you peddle hope - perception is reality. If the fan base has decided that this team is hopeless with Jauron - who is going to buck this economic downturn, reject the only message the Bills have to offer their fans, and purchase those tickets? Ralph, like it or not, may come to the conclusion that he has to fire Jauron or he will have nothing to offer the fans for next season. I know that the fans have been wrong on these matters (see Coughlin), but it's rare when they are because the list of coaches that take a long time to develop into winners is a very very short one. Dick would be going into his ninth year as a head coach with only one winning season under his belt. Yikes! Is this guy on the ten year development plan or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 While he's at it, he should bring in a real GM who understands how to build a team through the draft and via free agency. One who doesn't overpay for mediocre talent (Dockery, Walker, Kelsay) and one who doesn't squander draft picks (McCargo, Poz, Losman). That will translate to more wins more than (yet another) head coach. I think Poz may be over-rated, especially around here he is but I would not call him a squandered pick. He has a lot of growing to do and still hasn't even played a full season. I'll give you McCargo and Losman but Poz doesn't belong paired with them. He's been a bit better then average behind a sub-par line. A lot is made of Lynch's problems being attributed to the O line, well it works on both sides of the ball. A MLB's success is highly dependent on the people in front of him and while I think that Stroud and Williams are decent, Poz needs time to grow before calling him a bust. Just to go on record. This may be the first time I've ever defended Poz and hope it's the last. I expect him to be a good player for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Man Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I think Poz may be over-rated, especially around here he is but I would not call him a squandered pick. He has a lot of growing to do and still hasn't even played a full season. I'll give you McCargo and Losman but Poz doesn't belong paired with them. He's been a bit better then average behind a sub-par line. A lot is made of Lynch's problems being attributed to the O line, well it works on both sides of the ball. A MLB's success is highly dependent on the people in front of him and while I think that Stroud and Williams are decent, Poz needs time to grow before calling him a bust. Just to go on record. This may be the first time I've ever defended Poz and hope it's the last. I expect him to be a good player for a long time. I agree! The role that poz has as the middle signal caller is one he has yet to fully grow into. He must learn from the right people. Mishandled now and it will effect his entire career and waste the quality potential he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdorn Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I agree POZ doesnt belong on that list he is a good young player that I think will be a solid starter for years not spectacular but solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I agree! The role that poz has as the middle signal caller is one he has yet to fully grow into. He must learn from the right people. Mishandled now and it will effect his entire career and waste the quality potential he has. The end of the world is upon us. Me & DBM agree!!!!! Good to have ya back you bastardo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I apologize for yet another thread revolving around Jauron, but I thought this theory may have some legs. This dreadful franchise has been peddling hope for almost a decade now. With the economy the way it is and with season ticket sales surely to plummet next season - how does one peddle hope after the crash and burn of this season? Even if one can make the argument that Jauron deserves to stay or that Ralph would normally never buy out his contract, when you peddle hope - perception is reality. If the fan base has decided that this team is hopeless with Jauron - who is going to buck this economic downturn, reject the only message the Bills have to offer their fans, and purchase those tickets? Ralph, like it or not, may come to the conclusion that he has to fire Jauron or he will have nothing to offer the fans for next season. Well, I don't think Wilson will fire Jauron, UNLESS he believes there is no way to sell hope with Jauron, AND he can bring in a HC with enough cache to create a buzz independently. Since I don't think Ralph will eat that contract and pay big $$ for a name HC, I think Jauron stays. If he doesn't have a firm contract that can't be broken with Jauron, I think there is a chance, although a very slim chance, of it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Well, I don't think Wilson will fire Jauron, UNLESS he believes there is no way to sell hope with Jauron, AND he can bring in a HC with enough cache to create a buzz independently. Since I don't think Ralph will eat that contract and pay big $$ for a name HC, I think Jauron stays. If he doesn't have a firm contract that can't be broken with Jauron, I think there is a chance, although a very slim chance, of it happening. You could always coerce a resignation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Since I don't think Ralph will eat that contract Is that because he can't do solid foods anymore? Poor guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Is that because he can't do solid foods anymore? Poor guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I think this issue here isn't that Poz is a bust, but that we gave up a draft pick to get him. I think he could be a great player. Is he a third round pick's worth better than David Harris is the question here. I don't think I could say that he is. I'm not sure it was clear at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortured Soul Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I think this issue here isn't that Poz is a bust, but that we gave up a draft pick to get him. I think he could be a great player. Is he a third round pick's worth better than David Harris is the question here. I don't think I could say that he is. I'm not sure it was clear at the time. Sully made the point in yesterday's chat that you don't here people calling Patrick Willis "young." SDS, the counterargument, I guess, is do you think change for change's sake will be enough to get fans to buy in? If the next coach is anyone other than Bill Cowher (maybe Spagnuolo, maybe Schottenheimer), will fans be excited and the season-ticket base stay at the point it's at now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Sully made the point in yesterday's chat that you don't here people calling Patrick Willis "young." SDS, the counterargument, I guess, is do you think change for change's sake will be enough to get fans to buy in? If the next coach is anyone other than Bill Cowher (maybe Spagnuolo, maybe Schottenheimer), will fans be excited and the season-ticket base stay at the point it's at now? Did Willis miss his first year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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