BeastMode54 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 there were rumors right before the season started that Bills were actively trying to trade him. He looked great at the end of last year, and then was inactive for the first game of the year. Does he even see the field? I can't think of one play he's made. What's wrong with the guy. Is he just a bust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_red Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 He would have had a sack aginst JAC but 2 guys were holding him. Other than that nothing from what I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Some of the quotes I've seen from the coaching staff seem to suggest a lack of motivation. If they're right, then that goes to show that pro football really is more mental than physical. McCargo's got the strength, quickness, etc. that he needs. Maybe he just doesn't have the IQ or motivation to turn the physical tools into good play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devldog131 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 he was on the field when Steven Jackson broke his long TD run. Not sure if this helps you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 He might have Mike Williams mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 he was on the field when Steven Jackson broke his long TD run. Not sure if this helps you... He got doubled and taken out of the play, but Whitner had a free path to Jackson and ended-up running into his own player and completely missing Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 McCargo's played in the last 3 games. On the season he has 0 tackles and sacks. I thought he had turned the corner late last season. If Stroud or Williams goes down, we are so screwed. I stated if before the draft... Bills need to give a high priority to DT and LB. Both of those positions should have been filled in the first 4 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Quint Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 He's been basically a nonfactor this season, which is disappointing. I'm embarrassed, but I was saying before training camp that he would have a breakout year this year and be one of the brightest spots on defense. Boy was I wrong! All the pieces of the puzzle seemed to fit (size & strength, quickness, the addition of Stroud next to him, etc.) but I guess one of the things that you can't judge is what someone's thinking and the motivation factor. My guess is that he's out at the end of the year, but with 16 of 22 starters being drafted by the Bills FO, there's bound to be 1 or 2 busts in there. Oh yeah, I'd officially call him a bust if his season continues the way it's going now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 He might have Mike Williams mentality. He wouldn't be the first player with a big pile of signing bonus jingle who decided p*ss on the possibility of getting banged up. Take that signing $$$ and salary until you get cut, invest the cash into conservative things, and live on high 5 figures for the rest of your life and never have to go to work again, if you choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 He wouldn't be the first player with a big pile of signing bonus jingle who decided p*ss on the possibility of getting banged up. Take that sgining $$$ and salary until you get cut, invest the cash into conservative things, and live on high 5 figures for the rest of your life and never have to go to work again, if you choose. And lose your status as a "man". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 And lose your status as a "man". Dude, if I could work during my 20s and make 5 figures (spending it all) and then retire at 30 and have $3.5 million in my bank account I certainly would. I'm not saying this is the best way to go, or the way I'd go if I were a football player, but being a football watcher, I would do that in a second. I always thought it would be cool to be a kicker or punter and get paid more than most to kick a ball. I know they practice, but come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak tree 12 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 there were rumors right before the season started that Bills were actively trying to trade him. He looked great at the end of last year, and then was inactive for the first game of the year. Does he even see the field? I can't think of one play he's made. What's wrong with the guy. Is he just a bust? i dont know where you got the that they were activly trying to trade him thats total BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I stated if before the draft... Bills need to give a high priority to DT and LB. Both of those positions should have been filled in the first 4 rounds. We have our starters in place at DT, but I agree that we'll need another rotational guy if McCargo doesn't improve his play. Also, Keith Ellison isn't the long-term answer at OLB, so we need to either re-sign Angelo Crowell, or else draft a replacement LB at some point. That said, unless the offensive line dramatically improves its pitiful play, that needs to be the Bills' #1 priority heading into the 2009 draft. Melvin Fowler is in the last year of his contract, and nothing he's done could possibly indicate he's the long-term answer at center. There's a good center in the upcoming draft who's expected to be taken in the first round. The Bills should take a long, hard look at that guy, and they should draft him if they like what they see. Then they should come back and draft another lineman with their second round pick--possibly using their 3rd rounder to trade up and get a better player. They can use their picks in rounds 4 - 7 to add depth, including that rotational DT you mentioned. This would leave the OLB problem unsolved for a year, at least assuming we don't re-sign Crowell. But as important as it is to keep Keith Ellison off the field, the offensive line has to take higher priority. When the line blocks badly--as has usually been the case this season--the running game grinds to a halt, and the passing offense is ineffective. However, the line looks good in the 4th quarter, because that's when defenses are tired out. If you look at Trent's 4th quarter stats, that should tell you how effective our passing offense could be if we gave the QB protection for all four quarters. And just imagine what Lynch could do if he didn't have guys meeting him in the backfield on practically every inside running play. The absence of competent offensive line play is dragging the offense down more than Keith Ellison is dragging the defense down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_red Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 He got doubled and taken out of the play, but Whitner had a free path to Jackson and ended-up running into his own player and completely missing Jackson. yea he tried to jump over a Bills and Rams player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 The irony of this all is that Marv really led the Bills to making a very good choice at DT in the 06 draft. The irony is that it was 5th rounder Williams instead of reaching up to get McCargo. The draft is a crap shoot so go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 yea he tried to jump over a Bills and Rams player. He more ran into them. Had he jumped over them and at Jackson, he probably would have gotten him. But it would have been risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_red Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 He more ran into them. Had he jumped over them and at Jackson, he probably would have gotten him. But it would have been risky. http://buffalobills.com/multimedia/index.j...2808roundup.flv Looks like a jump to me then SJ goes right were D.Whit was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 there were rumors right before the season started that Bills were actively trying to trade him. He looked great at the end of last year, and then was inactive for the first game of the year. Does he even see the field? I can't think of one play he's made. What's wrong with the guy. Is he just a bust? I didn't hear the trade rumors about him, so I did some poking around and found this from Pro Football Weekly: Quality contributors such as DE Chris Ellis and DT John McCargo have already been listed as inactive for games this season, but we hear that it has little to do with the Bills’ confidence in them. Rather, it’s a function of the team’s 45-man active roster each week being formulated with special teams in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 there were rumors right before the season started that Bills were actively trying to trade him. He looked great at the end of last year, and then was inactive for the first game of the year. Does he even see the field? I can't think of one play he's made. What's wrong with the guy. Is he just a bust? It's definitely time to call him a bust. As it turns out, he was a reach; whereas Whitner was not. I wouldn't re-sign Crowell with everything that went down; I'd rather get a LB thru the draft--it would be cheaper this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_red Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 It's definitely time to call him a bust. As it turns out, he was a reach; whereas Whitner was not. As much as I love D.Whit he was a reach. Why do you try and jump over 2 players to get to SJ and then he bust a 29 yard TD. He is a good player but nothing more as of now. Would rather have Haloti Ngata still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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