krazykat Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 As nice as it seems to be ranked #3 in the NFL by ESPN, Buffalo will need to be absolutely flawless on ST this year in order to make the playoffs. This team will win or lose based on defense and ST. That's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 You can consult the list at the top. The Bears w/ Hester. Sorry, but it's true. They also have excellent other STs too. Not sure about the Browns though. If any team should definitely be ranked above the Bills' ST's, it the Browns. Cribbs is a 2-way threat (punt and kick returns), Dawson is a money kicker, and Zastudil is good. WRT Bears, they get extra credit because Hester is a threat to score on punts and kicks. But Gould is no better than Lindell and Maynard isn't as good as Moorman. You could probably rank them all 1a-c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 You can consult the list at the top. The Bears w/ Hester. Sorry, but it's true. They also have excellent other STs too. Not sure about the Browns though. and what are our returners? Chopped liver? Hester is insane....I would take our ST's over anybody in the league OVERALL any day of the week..... Moorman and Lindell are money Parrish is almost impossible to tackle in the open field MgGee is one of the best if not THE best in the league Now we also have McKelvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 I don't understand how the browns are at # 2Even they admit their coverage team is below average They are #1 in average yards per return. SourceHere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 and what are our returners? Chopped liver? Hester is insane....I would take our ST's over anybody in the league OVERALL any day of the week..... Moorman and Lindell are money Parrish is almost impossible to tackle in the open field MgGee is one of the best if not THE best in the league Now we also have McKelvin chopped liver? not for the punt returners - but Bills kickoff return team is living off past glory since its 2007 actual performance was pretty poor. Bills ranked 28th on kickoff returns with an average 20.7 yds/ return. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?arc...amp;Submit=Find I guess there was a reason for cutting loose those special teams "stars" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Our special teams are the BEST in the league......period not last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 They are #1 in average yards per return.SourceHere Try this one. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?arc...amp;Submit=Find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 If any team should definitely be ranked above the Bills' ST's, it the Browns. Cribbs is a 2-way threat (punt and kick returns), Dawson is a money kicker, and Zastudil is good. WRT Bears, they get extra credit because Hester is a threat to score on punts and kicks. But Gould is no better than Lindell and Maynard isn't as good as Moorman. You could probably rank them all 1a-c. Once again, where are you getting your facts from? Hester is three times the threat that McGee is. Have you seen him play at all? Also, Chicago had better coverage units than we did too on average although both were excellent. Lechler (Oakland) is the only one whose punting has consistently been close to if not better than Moorman's. We didn't rank high last year on either punt yards or net. Chicago ranked better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 and what are our returners? Chopped liver? Hester is insane....I would take our ST's over anybody in the league OVERALL any day of the week..... Moorman and Lindell are money Parrish is almost impossible to tackle in the open field MgGee is one of the best if not THE best in the league Now we also have McKelvin Why does everyone PMS when someone insists that we are not #1 at something. You in particular. Last year I would have taken Chicago's STs over ours. They had better punting, statistically, argue as you may. They had better return numbers, again, statistically. So unless you're looking at how the punter waves his leg after the release of the ball, something that wouldn't surprise me, the Bears were better in just about every facet of STs. Were we good, yes, very much so. Just not worthy of #1 overall. Sorry to burst your little Bills rule over all world bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykat Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Try this one. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?arc...amp;Submit=Find Facts! Low blow. John just likes to be happy. Best not to disturb him with something as mundane as factual information. After all, at TSW emotions trump facts on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Once again, where are you getting your facts from? Hester is three times the threat that McGee is. Have you seen him play at all? Also, Chicago had better coverage units than we did too on average although both were excellent. Lechler (Oakland) is the only one whose punting has consistently been close to if not better than Moorman's. We didn't rank high last year on either punt yards or net. Chicago ranked better. The Bills had better punt and kickoff return averages than the Bears. On punt coverage, the Bills were slightly better while on kickoffs, the Bears were slightly better. Neither team allowed a punt return for a TD but both allowed a kickoff return for a TD. WRT net punting average, Moorman was higher than Maynard, who also had 3 punts blocked. WRT FG percentage, Lindell was better than Gould, who had 2 FG tries blocked. Where the Bears beat the Bills is Hester's ability to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Once again, where are you getting your facts from? Hester is three times the threat that McGee is. Have you seen him play at all? Also, Chicago had better coverage units than we did too on average although both were excellent. Lechler (Oakland) is the only one whose punting has consistently been close to if not better than Moorman's. We didn't rank high last year on either punt yards or net. Chicago ranked better. Bills punting avg was 28th, but net avg was 10th. Andre Davis, ex-Bill, helped lead the league leading Texans in KO returns for TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Why does everyone PMS when someone insists that we are not #1 at something. You in particular. Last year I would have taken Chicago's STs over ours. They had better punting, statistically, argue as you may. They had better return numbers, again, statistically. So unless you're looking at how the punter waves his leg after the release of the ball, something that wouldn't surprise me, the Bears were better in just about every facet of STs. Were we good, yes, very much so. Just not worthy of #1 overall. Sorry to burst your little Bills rule over all world bubble. Your comments are way off base and out of line...... "you in particular" that is a pretty strong comment for just commenting on the special teams......I have not said that about any other aspect of the team..... But lets not let your love for absolutes get in the way of blasting a fellow TBD member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 the only time he truly pissed me off where I wanted to throw the remote through the TV was when we had a small chance for the playoffs. And i believe it was the steelers and they were resting all their players, and he missed a very short FG. One field goal miss?? sheesh.The guy has been one of the best in the league.--And the below 80 IQers who put any blame on him for that Pittsburgh loss...u just have to laugh. Like our giving up 200 + yards on the ground to their second string had nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 One field goal miss?? sheesh.The guy has been one of the best in the league.--And the below 80 IQers who put any blame on him for that Pittsburgh loss...u just have to laugh. Like our giving up 200 + yards on the ground to their second string had nothing to do with it. in retrospect, Willie Parker turned out to be much better than an afterthought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 On thing that has not been brought in this thread I think is the fact that we had all those IR players last year.....prior to that this team was absolutely lethal on special teams. Forcing players to play starters reps when they should have been playing ST's is a huge factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 On thing that has not been brought in this thread I think is the fact that we had all those IR players last year.....prior to that this team was absolutely lethal on special teams. Forcing players to play starters reps when they should have been playing ST's is a huge factor. Exactly right... No way around it...Loose a bunch of Starters and ST's is going to suffer...I think under those circumstances The Bills were very solid last year... It could have been a mess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 On thing that has not been brought in this thread I think is the fact that we had all those IR players last year.....prior to that this team was absolutely lethal on special teams. Forcing players to play starters reps when they should have been playing ST's is a huge factor. Nah, the Bills lost no one of any importance last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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