meazza Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Come on Fez, the account is in the guys own words and he comes across as a total POS. Know the rules, follow them, answer questions without being a wiseass. 871519[/snapback] How pissed off would you be if you had to spend a night in jail for being "under the influence"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 How pissed off would you be if you had to spend a night in jail for being "under the influence"? 871523[/snapback] I would be very pissed off........................at myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I would be very pissed off........................at myself. 871537[/snapback] What if you weren't under the influence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 "National Guardsman approached her and asked her to follow him back to the terminal" equals "Escorted at gunpoint?" Come on now Fez... Yes, she was marched at gunpoint: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread....t=618629&page=6 Specifically: "I am so sorry, eastwest. Harassment is the pits. Back in 2002, I had a similar incident. Although I must admit that being marched at gunpoint out of the secured area is inherently preferable to spending a night in jail." That's where I got the link to the story. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 What if you weren't under the influence? 871538[/snapback] Yeah, like that's ever going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Yeah, like that's ever going to happen. 871547[/snapback] Don't forget the whizzinator when you travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 Come on Fez, the account is in the guys own words and he comes across as a total POS. Know the rules, follow them, answer questions without being a wiseass. 871519[/snapback] He did know the rules and did follow them. TSA is NOT allowed to go thorugh your bags without permission and he called them out on it. Since when are we just supposed to blindly do whatever someone tells us, regardless of the law? Why do people feel that TSA can do whatever the hell they want, and we just have to obey? This is still the USA, right? And as was pointed out, assuming what the guy is saying is true, he was arrested for allegedly being under the influence. That has nothing to do with TSA! Hell, look at people in first class and half of them are under teh influence as well. He might've been a jerk, but regardless, that doesn't give TSA the right to do what they did (again, assuming they really did what he said). This is no different than the other article I posted in this thread where the woman said she wanted her purse searched in front of her, and then they tried to make her miss her flight. Complete abuse of power that should NOT be tolerated. I can't believe that none of you care about this stuff. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Back in 2002, I had a similar incident. Although I must admit that being marched at gunpoint out of the secured area is inherently preferable to spending a night in jail." But isn't that just some web poster's hysterical interpretation of the story? The actual article never mentioned any such thing. I take what I read on message boards with a grain of salt. Complete abuse of power that should NOT be tolerated. I agree. This is no different than the other article I posted in this thread where the woman said she wanted her purse searched in front of her, and then they tried to make her miss her flight. I disagree. I think it is important to identify truly innocent victims so the process can be improved and the bad apples weeded out. But if we allow every smart ass who thinks he is above the system to cry 'abuse' after he provokes a situation than it waters down those with legit complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Ditto. Another self absorbed a-hole who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Clowns like him are 75% of the reason why it takes so damn long to get through the security in the first place. 871131[/snapback] Exactly! And they end up wrecking it for everybody... There is a price we all pay for these a-holes. Everybody that is being held up in line should have "jumped" all over his arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I can't get the links... Was he really under the influence? If he was... What a "brainiac" for making a "stand" at that point in time... Are people really that stupid? Now if he was totally clean... I can see your point Fez... You pick and choose your battles... Pounding a few prior is not the perfect time to go into "battle" with the TSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 He did know the rules and did follow them. TSA is NOT allowed to go thorugh your bags without permission and he called them out on it. Since when are we just supposed to blindly do whatever someone tells us, regardless of the law? Why do people feel that TSA can do whatever the hell they want, and we just have to obey? This is still the USA, right? And as was pointed out, assuming what the guy is saying is true, he was arrested for allegedly being under the influence. That has nothing to do with TSA! Hell, look at people in first class and half of them are under teh influence as well. He might've been a jerk, but regardless, that doesn't give TSA the right to do what they did (again, assuming they really did what he said). This is no different than the other article I posted in this thread where the woman said she wanted her purse searched in front of her, and then they tried to make her miss her flight. Complete abuse of power that should NOT be tolerated. I can't believe that none of you care about this stuff. CW 871551[/snapback] SEE! BINGO! Wow this is perfect timing... I am glad this defense (blue) was made... This is exactly my argument that people make and hence my stance in the PPP thread "Alcohol on Trains"... This is why you ban it on trains and planes... You can't just single the guy out while you sell the sh*t to others... And using this argument (blue) will only speed up the total ban of alcohol sales, consumption, and intoxication (even the perception of public intoxication) in our transport infractucture where huge numbers of the public are present... If you want to fight the system... DON'T DRINK PRIOR... You will just spoil it for others... Why give them an "excuse"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 What if you weren't under the influence? 871538[/snapback] Then prove it and blow (needle... Blood test) a ZERO! Then you got an argument meazza... And you can nail them. If you wanna take a stand then you are gonna have to be prepared to miss your flight, spend some "quality time" with the authorities... You can't have it both ways... Put up and shut up... "Bluffs" don't work... Everything has consequences! Even if you are right... You gotta be prepared to take your "lumps." If this guy couldn't accept this, he should have just said: "Thank you sir, no sir, yes sir... Etc..." And that is it! Can't have your cake and eat it too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 Then prove it and blow (needle... Blood test) a ZERO! Then you got an argument meazza... And you can nail them. If you wanna take a stand then you are gonna have to be prepared to miss your flight, spend some "quality time" with the authorities... You can't have it both ways... Put up and shut up... "Bluffs" don't work... Everything has consequences! Even if you are right... You gotta be prepared to take your "lumps." If this guy couldn't accept this, he should have just said: "Thank you sir, no sir, yes sir... Etc..." And that is it! Can't have your cake and eat it too! 871689[/snapback] If you read the article, he said that he did have a blood test to prove he wasn't under the influence of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 I disagree. I think it is important to identify truly innocent victims so the process can be improved and the bad apples weeded out. But if we allow every smart ass who thinks he is above the system to cry 'abuse' after he provokes a situation than it waters down those with legit complaints. 871612[/snapback] But again, where did he provoke the system? He told them not to search his bag without him being present (legal0, and said that he wanted it to be searched in private (also legal). Yeah, he maybe mouthed off a little bit afterwards, but his rights were being abused well before he even opened his mouth (the bag searching). Both people were victims in the story. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 But isn't that just some web poster's hysterical interpretation of the story? The actual article never mentioned any such thing. I take what I read on message boards with a grain of salt. It's not "some web poster's hysterical interpretation," it was the person it actually happened to, and she linked to the story that was written about the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 But again, where did he provoke the system? He told them not to search his bag without him being present (legal0, and said that he wanted it to be searched in private (also legal). Yeah, he maybe mouthed off a little bit afterwards, but his rights were being abused well before he even opened his mouth (the bag searching). Both people were victims in the story. CW 871921[/snapback] I agree with you but am not surprised so many people here don't. That's the rub of being brought up to always respect authority. The problem with "authority" today is too often they are allowed to disrespect the citizenry in the name of "security", which is a gigantic crock of crap. The biggest problem I have with this is the money and time wasted. This stuff is happening every day and the likelyhood that eventually an actual criminal will get away because they're off playing "Billy Badass" increases exponentially. At some point we're all going to realize demonizing average Joe is contrary to what America was founded on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 If you read the article, he said that he did have a blood test to prove he wasn't under the influence of anything. 871913[/snapback] Thanks... I said I couldn't get the links... They seem to be blocking everything. He was wronged... Now he has got to go after them! (Hope he has a good attorney) My bad... Not being able to read the article... I just naturally assumed he had something in his blood... I am so glad that he was totally clean... He did the right thing, if you are gonna make them stick to their own rules, then make sure you have nothing that is gonna bite you in the arse... Most people don't do that though... I am on you side of the viewpoint now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 But again, where did he provoke the system? He told them not to search his bag without him being present (legal0, and said that he wanted it to be searched in private (also legal). Yeah, he maybe mouthed off a little bit afterwards, but his rights were being abused well before he even opened his mouth (the bag searching). Both people were victims in the story. CW 871921[/snapback] I agree... He shouldn't have mouthed off... Sometimes you get more flies with honey than vinegar... Probably made things worse... You know how it is with cops... Blow sunshine up their arse and take it to the judge... TSA people are just trying to do their jobs, just like everybody else... They gotta deal with jag off supervisors just like I do or maybe you do... I work for the gov't... There are so many layers or supervisors who don't know jack about certain judgement calls it isn't funny... It is amazing the sh*t they put you through to justify their job... Most of the time I can let it in one ear and out the other... I am blessed that I don't have to deal with them 75% of the time (they don't work the "off" shifts)... I could just imagine if I had to work 9-5 with this kinda bull crap... Micromanaging every step of the way... Not making excuses for the TSA... But they probably got strokes right up the "stovepipe" too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 At some point we're all going to realize demonizing average Joe is contrary to what America was founded on. 871975[/snapback] Maybe years ago when people actually had respect for one and another... I find that the "average Joe" most of the time is not your "average Saint". The ones that get demonized, IMO, are the ones that think they don't have too follow the rules... People are in a hurry, not matter what they do... They never stop to think that maybe that guy is just trying to do their job... Most of the problems are the one's that want their arse kissed, sometime you can do it, sometimes you just can't... I don't mind "demoninzing" the ones that think this way... It is an "in your face" society Darin... Come work with me for a day in the summer and you'd think differently... You'd have more fun taking 16 four year olds to the museum for the day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Sorry for the multiple posts... Just this morning my supervisor goes: "Warn these towboats to slow down when they are coming in too fast". I felt like saying: "Are you the pilot? Do you know the vessel and weather conditions? Have you ever piloted one?... Or better yet: "Do I look like a speedometer?" It is totally assinine... Even worse if you are doing your job and they are there watching... The "by the book" guys are the worse! These TSA people have to probably deal with ten times the supervisory ignorance... Nobody probably knows what the actual rules (like this case) are... I wouldn't be suprised if they (management) tell the TSA people to put the "screws" to the flying public... /End rant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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