nick in* england Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 One of the original questions still begs to be answered: Is it simply a judgment call by the official as to who instigates the contact? B/C it does seem that Reed is holding off charging into the DB and the DB makes the contact with Reed. Anyone answer that? 780386[/snapback] No it is not a judgement call. While JR may not initiate the contact, he is causing contact to the benefit of the offence, hence - the flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkwwjd Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 So you're saying that in that instance, even if Reed plays way off, waiting for the catch, if the DB rushes up and makes contact, it would be Offensive Interference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 That's the part that didn't make sense to me too. Reed didn't run into the DB. To me it looked he was running a route and they ran into each other. (Again, I know it was designed, but that's what it looked like). He didn't really throw a block, but they ran into each other. Like I said, it really doesn't matter since the correct call was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 That's the part that didn't make sense to me too. Reed didn't run into the DB. To me it looked he was running a route and they ran into each other. (Again, I know it was designed, but that's what it looked like).He didn't really throw a block, but they ran into each other. Like I said, it really doesn't matter since the correct call was made. 780548[/snapback] I didn't see the game...but it sounds like it was viewed by the refs as some sort of pick. Dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I didn't see the game...but it sounds like it was viewed by the refs as some sort of pick. Dunno. 780563[/snapback] It was very clearly a pick. The play was drawn up very well (all defenders accounted for), but while Reed slowed or stopped right before the contact, he targeted the defender and ran right at him, creating contact just before the ball was caught. If the timing was right, it looks like this would consistently be a huge play. Roscoe is the right guy to scoot through the space that opens up on a play like this. He has a lot to prove still, but count me among those that thik he is a dangerous weapon for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 The play isn't designed to be a pick. It's designed to get Roscoe the ball quickly and for the other players to block their men. Reed engaged his defender a little too early, for whatever reason, hence the flag. Bet it doesn't happen like that again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Because the pass went forwards, the WR cannot make contact with the DB downfield until the ball is caught. My team got called on this A LOT in preseason when we ran the exact same bubble screen as the Bills ran. The hardest thing is getting the timing right to get the ball in the hands of the WR and the other WR making the block. 780369[/snapback] I thought the hardest part was getting the guys to use their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukester Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 The penalty call was correct. From what I remember, the timing was thrown off because a Dolphin was in J.P's face forcing him to hold onto the ball a second longer than planned. This is why Reed's block ended up a bit early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Read the rules. You might learn something. 780308[/snapback] So thats the answer to my question? What I am saying is this. When a screen is thrown to a WR on the out (just as the Dolphins did to chambers when McGee made the nice tackle) ... the Dolphins WR's were engaged in their blocks well before Chambers caughtnthe ball. So why if your theory is correct wasnt there PI on every Dolphin receiver on that play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 That rule, no PI behind the LOS, is why defensive lineman can haul down a RB who is trying to slide into position for a screen. They can give him a chuck but they can't grab him and haul him down. Screens are designed to fool DLinemen os the instances of a DLinemen actually recognizing it in time and then actively seeking out contact on the RB are exceedingly rare. Schobel did it once vs miamuh (on the 2nd Culpepper fumble) but he actually grabbed Brown by the jersey and it should have been a penalty. Cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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