Campy Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Born-again, Islam, Jehova's, Catholicism, Prtoestantism. Care to continue? 451623[/snapback] Islam? You're the one who said "Gotta love those Christians." And 3 of the denominations I listed above are Protestant, the other 2 consider themselves to be Catholic. Care to try again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 As long as silly analogies like these are made, there really isn't any room for thoughful discussion. 451616[/snapback] There analogies are not silly, but are smack-dab in the middle of the discussions. What is "silly" today was perfectly acceptable in another age until that particular bigotry was deemed unnaceptable by society. For years private schools and institutions excluded Blacks and women and many of the same arguments now used to descriminate against gays were used. My guess is left-handers had problems way back when (but, I'm too busy to do the research). As a new MAC user, well let's say how ashamed I am of the way I thought before I was enlightened. (Actually, I still prefer my Dell.) Actually, if the school gets ABSOLUTELY NO public funding, I think they may have this right...and they may have the right to exclude Blacks and people of Italian descent. What is a shame is people can't accept and tolerate beliefs which they do not hold. A LOT of things disgust and repulse me. I'm SERIUOSLY offended by many things, but it's neither very intelligent nor useful to ban that which offends us. So, while the beliefs of the people who run this school offend me deeply, I think it's OK for them to assemble and believe their incredible bull sh--. THAT'S what makes me better than them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Just because someone is gay, doesn't mean they don't have "moral values." So in essence you're saying that I could live a good Christian life, but if I were gay, I would be excluded? 451631[/snapback] Unfortunately Ed, I do not think you are capable of rationale discussion on this topic. You pretty much read and twist words at your whim and the only thing it leads to is a pointless argument. Like I said, and you ignored, I used the phrase "a certain set of teachings" on purpose. That school apparently has decided to take a particular stand on gay lifestyles. No one in this thread has said that gay people can't live moral lives, since clearly the term "moral" is ambiguous. But you chose to say that to be argumentative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 Islam? You're the one who said "Gotta love those Christians." And 3 of the denominations I listed above are Protestant, the other 2 consider themselves to be Catholic. Care to try again? 451637[/snapback] Then I said gotta love religion! My ex was Protestant. We've had discussions about this, and she, and her parents both said homosexuality was a "sin." But, for arguments sake, why don't why throw in Christian Science, Mormons, First Baptists, Southern Baptists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Just because someone is gay, doesn't mean they don't have "moral values." So in essence you're saying that I could live a good Christian life, but if I were gay, I would be excluded? 451631[/snapback] It's not that homosexuals do not posess "moral values", it's just that thier set of values differs from that of the church. Whether this is wrong or not is irrelevant, it's thier school, so they get to make the rules. You second statement has nothing to do with the issues. We are not talking about a "good Christian life" here, we are talking about having the qualifications to gain admission to a private school. Far be it that I actually defend a religious group, but they are right. If we all have the right to free speech, then the church should have thiers as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 It's not that homosexuals do not posess "moral values", it's just that thier set of values differs from that of the church. Whether this is wrong or not is irrelevant, it's thier school, so they get to make the rules. You second statement has nothing to do with the issues. We are not talking about a "good Christian life" here, we are talking about having the qualifications to gain admission to a private school. Far be it that I actually defend a religious group, but they are right. If we all have the right to free speech, then the church should have thiers as well... 451652[/snapback] But they are not judging the girl. They are judging her parents. That was my whole point TMC. Religion, as a whole, is intolerant. It's all about fear, power, and control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Islam? You're the one who said "Gotta love those Christians." And 3 of the denominations I listed above are Protestant, the other 2 consider themselves to be Catholic. Care to try again? 451637[/snapback] Two that are Catholic? Which two? There is only two Catholics, Roman and Greek Orthadox. That's it. There are orders under each. BTW, the Catholic Church doesn't condemn homosexuality, just you are not permitted to receieve the sacraments if you are stained my mortal sin. Homosexuality is one, hence the reason a practicing homosexual can not receive the sacraments. If you live in abstinence and go to reconciliation, you can be "gay" but abstinent and receive the sacraments. Just the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Unfortunately Ed, I do not think you are capable of rationale discussion on this topic. You pretty much read and twist words at your whim and the only thing it leads to is a pointless argument. Like I said, and you ignored, I used the phrase "a certain set of teachings" on purpose. That school apparently has decided to take a particular stand on gay lifestyles. No one in this thread has said that gay people can't live moral lives, since clearly the term "moral" is ambiguous. But you chose to say that to be argumentative... 451645[/snapback] That still doesn't justify their discrimination toward the girl. It's her parent's lifestyle they are against...but they hold it against her. There are many Catholic schools who accept Jewish students. Clearly Catholisism doesn't accept many of the Jewish teachings. To think there's not more here than what you suggest is very naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/23/D8CPU38G8.htmlYa gotta love religion... 451574[/snapback] I guess, forget all those universities for the past hundreds of years, keeping the spark of civilization and education alive, world-wide missions, research accomplishments, the US Constitution, untold billions in money and millions of folks that that traveled all over the globe to help others was just a big waste of time. They need to leave the hurricane areas now, lest they infect someone. Right? Especially that rotten Salvation Army...right? Wise up - your life, if it would actually exist free of chains, is directly connected to the fact that religion - in most cases - with all it's warts - has set the stage for your ability to blithly impugn and ridicule. Thiis Nation sans it's belief in God would have enslaved the globe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 That still doesn't justify their discrimination toward the girl. It's her parent's lifestyle they are against...but they hold it against her. There are many Catholic schools who accept Jewish students. Clearly Catholisism doesn't accept many of the Jewish teachings. To think there's not more here than what you suggest is very naive. 451662[/snapback] Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 I guess, forget all those universities for the past hundreds of years, keeping the spark of civilization and education alive, world-wide missions, research accomplishments, the US Constitution, untold billions in money and millions of folks that that traveled all over the globe to help others was just a big waste of time. They need to leave the hurricane areas now, lest they infect someone. Right? Especially that rotten Salvation Army...right? Wise up - your life, if it would actually exist free of chains, is directly connected to the fact that religion - in most cases - with all it's warts - has set the stage for your ability to blithly impugn and ridicule. Thiis Nation sans it's belief in God would have enslaved the globe... 451664[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 451669[/snapback] He is correct Ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 But they are not judging the girl. They are judging her parents. That was my whole point TMC. Religion, as a whole, is intolerant. It's all about fear, power, and control. 451659[/snapback] I agree 100% with your final statement Ed. However, as much as I hate to say it, it is a private school and they have the right to do what they want. I personally think it is wrong, but I am also not trying to get into that school... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 He is correct Ed. 451670[/snapback] How so? Certain aspects are good. However, look at the world today. You're telling me religion doesn't play a huge part in what's gone wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Just because someone is gay, doesn't mean they don't have "moral values." Says who? Since when are you the universal judge of what is and isn't moral? I happen to agree with you, but apparently the people who run this school don't, which is exactly why they created (and enforced) the policy in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 How so? 451674[/snapback] You think without the moral bearing that religion brings that a country like ours would not have been more aggressive in controlling more of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 Says who? Since when are you the universal judge of what is and isn't moral? I happen to agree with you, but apparently the people who run this school don't, which is exactly why they created (and enforced) the policy in question. 451675[/snapback] I say I'm the universal judge! Seriously though, how about this scenario: A white girl is accpeted into a private school. They find out she is adopted by two black parents. They kick her out, because that to them is immoral. Is that OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 You think without the moral bearing that religion brings that a country like ours would not have been more aggressive in controlling more of the world. 451678[/snapback] I happen to believe we should control more of the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 That still doesn't justify their discrimination toward the girl. It's her parent's lifestyle they are against...but they hold it against her. There are many Catholic schools who accept Jewish students. Clearly Catholisism doesn't accept many of the Jewish teachings. To think there's not more here than what you suggest is very naive. 451662[/snapback] I am defending this school's right to set forth its own curriculum and admission policy based upon its interpretation of religious texts. They put forth a set of reasonable guidelines and they were violated. I suggested a possible rationale for their decisions. I'm sure there are many other reasons behind their admission policy that I haven't thought about. Those women chose to ignore those policies plain and simple. I have always found it quite amusing how people who obviously don't subscribe to Christian teachings are hell bent on telling them how to conduct their business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Now THIS is weird. In a post on this thread Ed said someting like: "The Dean is right" I was in the process of replying to Ed...to warn him of the dangers of making a statement like that and lo and behold...that post is gone! Either Ed, or SDS or an intelligent Mod decided to eliminate the post and save Ed the embarrassment of haveing to live with that statement. To whoever deleted Ed's post: Good Work! (intelligent Mod?????) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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