Sean apologists... If McD gets fired without ever winning a Super Bowl, you will...

[Buffalo716]

Nobody currently available would take us over the hump besides us buying out Bill belichick 

 

And him making all the players on our team hate football.. but buy in to win 

 

That's the only guy who's 100% going to do anything different than whoever's available 

 

And he's even old and the games moving by him but he is the only one that if you said we need a Super bowl in 3 years be able to get it done

[folz]

 

Fun stuff...let's go guys.

 

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

As Bills fans well know this is not a thing. Has never been a thing. Or we would be recollecting the championships won by OJ Simpson. 

 

Has it ever been a thing for a quarterback before either? Or is it just a current Bills fans thing? I don't remember anyone ever saying that Mike McCarthy and/or Matt LeFleur squandered Aaron Rodgers' career. I don't remember anyone saying that Sean Payton squandered Drew Brees' career. How about Shula squandering Marino's career? Dan Reeves squandering Elway's career, Reid squandering McNabb's career, etc. Nope, never heard it. So, when did it become a thing for NFL fans to say that about any coach, squandering a QB's career?

 

3 hours ago, T.E. said:

We actually don't need to get over 13 Seconds. We had a future HOF QB on an all-time heater, literally playing better than any QB in postseason history, with a home AFC Championship game on the horizon, and it all went to hell because our head coach couldn't grasp basic time management.

 

There is a Lombardi Trophy that should be in the lobby of Orchard Park that instead currently sits in L.A. because of arguably the worst end-of-game coaching in NFL playoff history. That's a big deal, and no, something like that doesn't happen to every great coach.

 

I think you guys blow out of proportion how bad the blunder was in relation to other coaches playoff mistakes simply because it happened to our team. And there is still no guarantee that we win that game even if he did everything differently (how you think he should have done them). Plus, coaches learn and grow from their mistakes as well. I'm not going to do it right now, too much work, but I guarantee if you look back through the playoff losses of even HOF coaches, you will find plenty of games that the fans and/or media blamed them for something. Almost every playoff losing coach gets blamed for some reason that the team did not win. Almost every single one.

 

3 hours ago, Lionel Hutz said:

 Beane, McD, and Pegula are thrilled to have fans like you - fans that are just happy to make the playoffs and will never criticize them. 

 

The Minneapolis Miracle was not a coaching blunder. Go watch the replay. There were two defenders next to Diggs who should have made a tackle but the first defender went for the hit too early and took out the second defender in the process. The only 21st century playoff coaching failure that tops the 13 second game was Pete Carroll not handing the ball to Marshawn in the SB.

 

First of all, you can criticize the team and the coaching without wanting to fire the coach and GM. You guys look at things so one-sidedly. And this trope of "just being happy to make the playoffs" is inaccurate and has been repeated so many times now, it's like you guys don't have a real argument. You just say 13 seconds and then mock us. 

 

And I absolutely guarantee that if that happened to the Bills in the exact same way (The Minneapolis Miracle), you would all still blame McDermott for it, whether it was player error or not. Honestly, if that is how we exited the playoffs this year, would you use it as an argument to fire McDermott? You know you would. And again, I think you guys are selective in your memory. One of these days, when I have time, I will look back through the playoff losses and point out some examples. 

 

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

this post should be exhibitA in the mcdermott cult of personality trial

 

'not winning a SB is not total failure' lol

 

So, 31 teams and coaches fail every year? And coaches who never won a Super Bowl are all failures? 

 

Let me ask this, are Brian Billick, Barry Switzer, George Seifert, Bruce Arians, Doug Peterson, Gary Kubiak, and Nick Sirianni all NFL success stories, while Don Shula, Marv Levy, Bud Grant, George Allen, Don Coryell, Chuck Knox, Dan Reeves, etc. are all failures? The HOF doesn't think so anyway.

 

And I don't understand why the anti-McDermott guys can not understand that no one (McDermott supporters) are ok with not making or winning a Super Bowl, especially with Josh as our QB, we all want it as much as you guys do...and some of us probably for many more years than some of you. We just still believe that this regime can do it. Believe me, I fully understand that you guys do not believe that (and I know the reasons why you think that). And that's ok. From our perspective, wanting to keep McD is not a concession that we do not want or care about winning a Super Bowl, i.e., "we know McD can never do it and we are ok with that". That is not where we are. There are just a few, last of us holdouts that believe they can still do it. Plain and simple. And we have some perspective on why it hasn't happened yet. Agree to disagree, but stop putting words in our mouths. I may end up being wrong, but I'm not delusional.

 

I mean what the hell does "cult of personality trial" mean in this sense anyway. Do you really think that McDermott supporters are just brainwashed by propaganda from the organization? That we put McDermott above the Buffalo Bills (who we have rooted for for decades before Sean's arrival)? And we would never criticize him or see his faults, or the teams' faults? That is not our reality, that is just what you guys are projecting on to us.

 

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

It's incredible.

 

Vrabel getting to the AFCCG with Ryan Tannehill and the 1 seed in the AFC with Ryan Tannehill is no better than anything McD has done is wild stuff.

 

I am trying to give our board members grace. These folks convinced themselves that Tyrod or EJ or Trent or Thad Lewis was the answer at QB. They are capable of believing anything. They don't face the reality until it's already past. 

 

Does anyone admit to being a massive Tyrod fan nowadays? We had hundreds of them while he was here. When McD is inevitably fired, you won't be able find one of his fans. His name will be anathema and his biggest supporters will disappear like a mist.

 

First of all, Tannehill had 4,085 yards and 40 TDs and only 7 INTs on 66% completions that season. That is some pretty good QB play.

 

And secondly, you say "with Tannehill" as if Derrick Henry wasn't also on the team with 2,141 yards and 17 TDs that year. I mean, that isn't just a career year, that is an "of all-time" type of year.

 

And again, you guys just put words in our mouths and exaggerate everything. Honestly who thought Thad Lewis was the answer. Absolutely no one. Did people root for Tyrod when he played, yes, but who was saying he was the long-term answer? For two years I screamed at my TV, throw the damn ball Tyrod. I was excited for EJ when we drafted him, hoping and wishing he could be the guy. But I didn't hold on to him when it became obvious he wasn't the guy. Trent had a few good games, if anyone was on his train it was for like half a season. I don't know where you guys come up with this stuff. It's like you have to pretend that we are crazy in order to prove your point.  

 

 

 

All this was about, initially for me, was contradicting Dr.D's statement that Vrabel is obviously a better coach than McDermott. Who knows, in 10 or 15 years we may look back on things and say, yeah, Vrabel was better (if he wins a couple of rings and McD does not, or whatever). But, currently, there is absolutely no stat that points to Vrabel being a better coach at the moment other than the Pats looking better than the Bills currently, this year---but the end of this season has not even been written yet, and it's just one season, so maybe we should hold his gold jacket for now.