Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Yes, the team informed Josh they would select Coleman with the first pick of Day 2. As a supportive teammate, Josh responded with a text. Do you think Allen studies college tape so closely that he actually preferred Keon over Ladd?

 

 

Ladd wasn't a consideration. They've already got his skills on the team with Shakir. Lots of fans wanted him, and for obvious reasons, but the Bills didn't really have needs there.

 

But yes, Allen said it after the draft, that he'd watched a lot of tape on round one guys that year. And that he'd really liked Coleman a lot.

 

Anyway, this isn't where Allen talked about when he'd watched, but here Josh talks about what he'd liked about Coleman's college tape specifically.

 

 

 

 

 

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Yes, the team informed Josh they would select Coleman with the first pick of Day 2. As a supportive teammate, Josh responded with a text. Do you think Allen studies college tape so closely that he actually preferred Keon over Ladd?

 

 

Um, yes, yes I do. That's what the evidence all shows.

 

Oh, and as for Josh having to say this because he's supportive, please stop with this nonsense.

 

This is the whole deal where people assume any opinion from a star is a lie because the listener doesn't agree with the star. It's just nonsense. The argument goes like this: "He's a teammate, so he has to say something like this. Plus he's disagreeing with me here, so he must be lying."

 

This line of argument, that a fan knows what he really meant and that the fan is a better barometer of what Allen meant than Allen is, it's crap.

 

As a supportive teammate, Allen DID NOT NEED to lie. He just didn't. Off the top of my head, here are ten texts/tweets he could have sent without lying that would have completely filled the bill:

 

• Yeah, excited to work with you, Keon!
• Keon Coleman!! We're gonna put up some serious yards!
• Psyched!!!
• Really looking forward to throwing to you, Keon Coleman!!
• Alright!!!!! Yeah, baby!! See you at camp, Keon!
• Hey, my new best friend, Keon Coleman!!
• Keon, this is going to be great!!!
• Oh, yeah!!! Keon Coleman!!
• Keon is a big guy!! This will be fun!!!
• KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEON!!!!!!!!! Looking forward to giving 110% with you, buddy!!!

 

All of those would have been just fine, without lying. This is always the (dumb) argument, that he had to lie to be a good teammate. And it's total bushwah!!!

 

There's a reason he said "You're the guy I wanted." The reason is that he's the guy he wanted. Again, he didn't have to say that. Could've gone a million different ways with no problem.

 

Brandon Beane:  "Josh is crazy about the draft process. If I get a call from Josh in the offseason, it's usually him seeing somebody on a highlight, running into somebody, throwing with somebody -- just something to ask me what I think about this guy. He called me at the Senior Bowl (asking) what do I think about a couple of guys there. So he loves it.

"He's been in the building the last couple of weeks now that the offseason program's started. So we did give him some guys, we said, 'Hey, sit back with the coaches, y'all watch them together and talk about how you'd use them. I'd like to hear what you see.' And he liked a lot of the guys, he really did. But Keon was one -- I know he liked him a lot, too. And Josh and I didn't speak on Thursday, really. Maybe he stopped by that morning. But that next day, Friday morning, he FaceTimed me. Actually, I was still at home before I headed in here. And he was like, 'What are you thinking?' And I said, 'Well, barring somebody blowing me away, I'm going to take Keon.' And he was pretty pumped."

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/bills-gm-brandon-beane-josh-allen-pretty-pumped-we-drafted-wr-keon-coleman

 

Along with everything else there, he says Keon was one of the guys the coaches specifically showed film of to Josh. And that they knew Josh liked him a lot. And folks are trying to argue that Josh wasn't very likely to have formed opinions of 1st round WR prospects, knowing that was one of the most likely ways for them to go?

 

And again the guy who said he had a source that the Bills were going Coleman (Jordan Schultz) didn't just say that they were picking him, he said that he was Allen's favorite left in the draft.

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Thurman#1

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

But, but, but, contested catches. 

 

They wasted a premium pick on a guy who's forte is a low probability play that you don't want to rely on.  Who picks a player for contested catch skills when you need to replace Diggs?  

 

I am sure the excuse could be they have a slot guy in Shakir.  McConky can be used multiple ways and so can Shakir.  

 

McConky is faster, quicker, better feet, better hands, smarter, better routes, a dedicated football player, and he gets open all the time ... 

 

But McConkey doesn't solve this team's biggest issue which is they don't threaten deep and outside and it means teams can compress the field against us both vertically and horizontally. And look I'd have picked him before Coleman, because Coleman doesn't do any of those things either and McConkey is just a better football player. And anyone who tried to argue that Coleman was a contested catch specialist hadn't watched enough of him in college. He wasn't that for Florida State he hasn't been that in the league. He is pretty average in that facet. The thing Keon does best is run after the catch ball in hand. It is not coincidence that when the Bills were getting some production from him in the middle of his rookie year pre injury that is how he was being used in the main. 

 

Coleman was just a bad pick. A slow, big slot, who is a career non-separator and average at the catch point. I said it at the time and I stick by every word.

[nuklz2594]

keon is slow and I think he himself realizes he is in over his head. that and he seems to have an IQ between a beet and a cabbage. said it many times ladd would've fixed many things with Shakir.