Scott7975 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Going to give these a shot. Likely not going to get too far into the weeds on it because it takes a lifetime to watch these things, but its helpful from a fan perspective to get an idea of the nuts and bolts. I'll start with the offense and go by half. If I have time I'll add the defense later on. 1st Half Summary- Blame it on the coordinator I think it's often too easy to blame coordinators for bad football, especially if you haven't watched the game tape to get a real understanding of what prompted certain calls. That said, in the 1st half the Bills were essentially running the throw stuff at the wall and see if it sticks scheme. The personnel groupings and formations were all over the place. They tried everything from 10 personnel with 4 wide and trips, to 21 and 22 personnel with bunch formations, often using one wideout. It was like Joe Brady was trying to reinvent the wheel of high school play calling. Brady came into the game knowing the Patriots run a heavily man-based defense, and most of what they were trying to do was win outside the hashes with wideouts who can't beat man coverage. The game plan in the first half was lazy, and akin to a coach deciding to watch zero tape of the opposing defense. Notes: Its man defense- where are the crossers, digs, and slants? Multiple instances of wideouts and tight ends running short of the sticks Need to start running more out of the shotgun 2nd Half Summary- Blame it on the Quarterback The Bills were in 11 personnel around 25% of the time in the first half. In the second half they stopped getting cute and ran 11 personnel 72% of the time. On top of that they finally ran a crossing route! A lot has been made about the wideouts being bad in this offense. While they aren't speed demons who can split two high safety or win on go routes, they can produce when asked to do what they do well. That said, the QB needs to be who he was in the first four games and take what the defense gives him. Sadly, that's not the QB the Bills got in the second half. While he was more productive, the All 22 showed he was dead set on doing what he wanted rather than taking what was there. Have screenshots of the plays below but no clue how to post. 5:17 Left 3rd Quarter- Kincaid absolutely smokes the safety at the same time Josh tries the back shoulder to Shavers. If he waits a second longer, he likely has Kincaid for 6. 11:18 Left 4th Quarter- Crossing route is wide open to Knox. Josh comes off the read. 5:11 Left 4th Quarter- Josh doesnt take the easy outbreaking route to Kincaid. Instead he throws to Cook on the sideline covered and is lucky to get a PI. 5:01 Left 4th Quarter- This one is on Samuel- Call looks to be a Go or a Post. Corner drops off 10 yards. Instead of breaking off his route to a out or comeback Samuel keeps running towards the CB. Would have been an easy 6-yard gain plus space to run. 4:52 Left 4th- Josh doesnt take the open crosser to Coleman. Cook doesnt block free rusher. Sack 2:43 Left 4th- Josh has Cook wide open on the crosser, doesnt take it for an easy 5 yard gain. Also has Palmer on an outbreaking route for 7 or more. Scrambles, has Knox open coming back towards the hash for a 17 yard pass, doesnt take it. Launches a pass across the field to Coleman in the back of the endzone. Out of bounds. 2:31 Left 4th- Shakir and Kincaid immediately open on crosser short of sticks. Johnson has single coverage on a wheel route to the endzone-why isnt Cook in the game! Samuel wide open at the front of opposite side of the endzone- likely an impossible throw. Game Summary- The good news is the Bills beat themselves. I am not sure what Joe Brady was doing in the first half of the game. I am also not sure what Josh Allen was doing in the 2nd half. The Bills need another outside WR, but they arent as hapless there as I thought before I watched the film. Put this one away, dont shoot yourself in the foot next time you play the Pats. The Patriots didnt do anything great on defense. I have every expectation that Allen wont play like this in the second meeting. Player Grades Bull Market The Offensive Line- They lost a few reps but otherwise they were fantastic. Specifically, the left side of the line played very well Kincaid- He had a great night and it would have been even better if he played more reps. I dont care if its as a slot, outside WR, or either tight end position, he needs to be in the game unless he's injured or needs a breather. His blocking still leaves a little to be desired. But outside of Cook or Allen he is the best weapon the Bills have on offense. Better than I Expected Dawson Knox- Not flashy but he did his job. He was open when he needed to be, whether the QB saw him or not. Josh Palmer- Not a game breaker by any means but he is the best outside receiver the Bills have in terms of understanding leverage and route running. Needs to be on the field more. Bear Market Keon Coleman- He caught a touchdown but the tape isn't good. He flat out can't beat corners off the line in man coverage. The coordinator doesn't put him in advantageous positions. Much better in the second half because Brady finally started calling crossing routes. But he is a very limited player at this point in his career. Shavers- Not to dunk on a kid that barely made the team but for those of you waiting for him to be the savior at WR, stop. I don't have all 22 but I will comment some. For your first part when talking about Brady "throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks..." That kind of aligns with what he said in the presser the other day. Im going to paraphrase here but he said something like "they wanted to see how the pats were going to play/attack us" or something to that effect. As for second half Josh, again I don't have all22, but he didn't have a very good game IMO. I'm sure there are things he would like a redo on and I expect that he will have a better game on the next meetup. 1 Quote
somnus00 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Single father with a toddler here. I don't have the time to get into this kind of analysis, so thank you guys. I have a genuine question for you. What seems to be the identity of this passing offense? To me, it looks like Brady still doesn't know what he wants the passing offense to be. They're have been a few drives this season where the passing looked quick and decisive. I loved seeing it as I think it opens up the rest of the offense. People say the WR corps is terrible. I don't necessarily agree with that take. Kincaid is elite, Shakir is a good slot. Palmer and Moore have had success as separators. So what's the deal? Anyway, thanks again. Quote
PatsFanNH Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Going to give these a shot. Likely not going to get too far into the weeds on it because it takes a lifetime to watch these things, but its helpful from a fan perspective to get an idea of the nuts and bolts. I'll start with the offense and go by half. If I have time I'll add the defense later on. 1st Half Summary- Blame it on the coordinator I think it's often too easy to blame coordinators for bad football, especially if you haven't watched the game tape to get a real understanding of what prompted certain calls. That said, in the 1st half the Bills were essentially running the throw stuff at the wall and see if it sticks scheme. The personnel groupings and formations were all over the place. They tried everything from 10 personnel with 4 wide and trips, to 21 and 22 personnel with bunch formations, often using one wideout. It was like Joe Brady was trying to reinvent the wheel of high school play calling. Brady came into the game knowing the Patriots run a heavily man-based defense, and most of what they were trying to do was win outside the hashes with wideouts who can't beat man coverage. The game plan in the first half was lazy, and akin to a coach deciding to watch zero tape of the opposing defense. Notes: Its man defense- where are the crossers, digs, and slants? Multiple instances of wideouts and tight ends running short of the sticks Need to start running more out of the shotgun 2nd Half Summary- Blame it on the Quarterback The Bills were in 11 personnel around 25% of the time in the first half. In the second half they stopped getting cute and ran 11 personnel 72% of the time. On top of that they finally ran a crossing route! A lot has been made about the wideouts being bad in this offense. While they aren't speed demons who can split two high safety or win on go routes, they can produce when asked to do what they do well. That said, the QB needs to be who he was in the first four games and take what the defense gives him. Sadly, that's not the QB the Bills got in the second half. While he was more productive, the All 22 showed he was dead set on doing what he wanted rather than taking what was there. Have screenshots of the plays below but no clue how to post. 5:17 Left 3rd Quarter- Kincaid absolutely smokes the safety at the same time Josh tries the back shoulder to Shavers. If he waits a second longer, he likely has Kincaid for 6. 11:18 Left 4th Quarter- Crossing route is wide open to Knox. Josh comes off the read. 5:11 Left 4th Quarter- Josh doesnt take the easy outbreaking route to Kincaid. Instead he throws to Cook on the sideline covered and is lucky to get a PI. 5:01 Left 4th Quarter- This one is on Samuel- Call looks to be a Go or a Post. Corner drops off 10 yards. Instead of breaking off his route to a out or comeback Samuel keeps running towards the CB. Would have been an easy 6-yard gain plus space to run. 4:52 Left 4th- Josh doesnt take the open crosser to Coleman. Cook doesnt block free rusher. Sack 2:43 Left 4th- Josh has Cook wide open on the crosser, doesnt take it for an easy 5 yard gain. Also has Palmer on an outbreaking route for 7 or more. Scrambles, has Knox open coming back towards the hash for a 17 yard pass, doesnt take it. Launches a pass across the field to Coleman in the back of the endzone. Out of bounds. 2:31 Left 4th- Shakir and Kincaid immediately open on crosser short of sticks. Johnson has single coverage on a wheel route to the endzone-why isnt Cook in the game! Samuel wide open at the front of opposite side of the endzone- likely an impossible throw. Game Summary- The good news is the Bills beat themselves. I am not sure what Joe Brady was doing in the first half of the game. I am also not sure what Josh Allen was doing in the 2nd half. The Bills need another outside WR, but they arent as hapless there as I thought before I watched the film. Put this one away, dont shoot yourself in the foot next time you play the Pats. The Patriots didnt do anything great on defense. I have every expectation that Allen wont play like this in the second meeting. Player Grades Bull Market The Offensive Line- They lost a few reps but otherwise they were fantastic. Specifically, the left side of the line played very well Kincaid- He had a great night and it would have been even better if he played more reps. I dont care if its as a slot, outside WR, or either tight end position, he needs to be in the game unless he's injured or needs a breather. His blocking still leaves a little to be desired. But outside of Cook or Allen he is the best weapon the Bills have on offense. Better than I Expected Dawson Knox- Not flashy but he did his job. He was open when he needed to be, whether the QB saw him or not. Josh Palmer- Not a game breaker by any means but he is the best outside receiver the Bills have in terms of understanding leverage and route running. Needs to be on the field more. Bear Market Keon Coleman- He caught a touchdown but the tape isn't good. He flat out can't beat corners off the line in man coverage. The coordinator doesn't put him in advantageous positions. Much better in the second half because Brady finally started calling crossing routes. But he is a very limited player at this point in his career. Shavers- Not to dunk on a kid that barely made the team but for those of you waiting for him to be the savior at WR, stop. I think anyone watched the Pats game films should KNOW you attack the D with your TE since our LB are slow as heck.. you don’t challenge the CB who are very good and 1 IMO Elite.. 1 Quote
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