The One, Big, Beautiful tax bill - that kills the poor and pays the rich

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Artificially low taxes are an entitlement 

Sorry that, as a small business owner, im not paying enough taxes for you.  

 

You're more than welcome to encourage your friends to give more than required to the IRS, which, I’m sure, you do every year, yes?

[K D]

50 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

blaming the victims.  Cost of living is extremely high especially for essentials like housing and food.  All of my nieces and nephews are working their asses off too and not hanging out at Starbucks or living an opulent lifestyle.  The affluence is concentrated in a small fraction of the population and this bill greatly worsen this economic inequality.

They can get a better job and or start a business. If your grades aren't good enough for college then do a trade. If you don't do either then join the military. Those are your only options.

 

If you choose none of the above then you will likely struggle. If you want to take a year off to "find yourself" and you work retail or as a waiter and before you know it 10 years goes by and you are doing the same thing then you goofed, simple as that. Not everyone can be successful. That's life and nature.

 

Make the right choices or deal with the consequences. I have friends that make 6 figures from all walks of life, from electricians to lawyers to military. I've made 6 figures in multiple fields. Do something useful and people will give you money for it. If you are doing something anybody could do then you aren't trying hard enough.

[ScotSHO]

21 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Sorry that, as a small business owner, im not paying enough taxes for you.  

 

You're more than welcome to encourage your friends to give more than required to the IRS, which, I’m sure, you do every year, yes?

Only crabs that are higher than you in the proverbial bucket have to pay more, duh.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

17 minutes ago, K D said:

 

If you choose none of the above then you will likely struggle. If you want to take a year off to "find yourself" and you work retail or as a waiter and before you know it 10 years goes by and you are doing the same thing then you goofed, simple as that. Not everyone can be successful. That's life and nature.

bs.  every one of my nieces and nephews of age have college degrees.  one has a recent Chem Engineering degree from Berkley.  He has only worked independent contractor jobs from big pharmaceutical so far.  No benefits, both sides of social security, no 401k match  etc.  Big companies do this routinely now to save money (make more money).  The days of working for a company with full benefits for your entire career are gone. If a president can tell Walmart to eat tariffs, he can also demand that companies treat their employees better.

Edited 7 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever

[TH3]

35 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Sorry that, as a small business owner, im not paying enough taxes for you.  

 

You're more than welcome to encourage your friends to give more than required to the IRS, which, I’m sure, you do every year, yes?

I have owned 3 businesses including the one I own now. You have to pay for stuff.

[K D]

10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

bs.  every one of my nieces and nephews of age have college degrees.  one has a recent Chem Engineering degree from Berkley.  He has only worked independent contractor jobs from big pharmaceutical so far.  No benefits, both sides of social security, no 401k match  etc.  Big companies do this routinely now to save money (make more money).  The days of working for a company with full benefits for your entire career are gone. If a president can tell Walmart to eat tariffs, he can also demand that companies treat their employees better.

My friend went to school for chemical engineering at WV and worked on oil rigs in Africa for 10 years and retired he made so much money. I think he teaches high school now just for fun. Paid cash for his house and paid for his brother's college.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, K D said:

My friend went to school for chemical engineering at WV and worked on oil rigs in Africa for 10 years and retired he made so much money. I think he teaches high school now just for fun. Paid cash for his house and paid for his brother's college.

so he should move to Africa to have financial stability.  awesome.  way to completely miss the point.

[K D]

Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said:

so he should move to Africa to have financial stability.  awesome.  way to completely miss the point.

It's a beautiful country where you get to do whatever you want. My grandpa's family were farmers and his only choice was to be a farmer so he came to America so he could choose. The only limitation is your work ethic

 

Also if you have a college degree you can go into the military and be an officer from the jump. Great benefits too

[Andy1]

Remember the months of debate about Obama Care? Republicans protesting and all their hoopla. Now they are just fine with ramming through this which will have a big negative impact on health care for millions. Still waiting for the big beautiful Trump Care plan he has repeatedly promised. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

14 minutes ago, K D said:

It's a beautiful country where you get to do whatever you want. My grandpa's family were farmers and his only choice was to be a farmer so he came to America so he could choose. The only limitation is your work ethic

 

Also if you have a college degree you can go into the military and be an officer from the jump. Great benefits too

Africa is a continent.  Do you mean S Africa and white farmers?

[K D]

4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Africa is a continent.  Do you mean S Africa and white farmers?

I meant this (America) is a beautiful country where you have a choice to do whatever you want. All African countries are still "sh*thole countries."

[Homelander]

5 hours ago, T master said:

By your logic then it matches the Obama care act something you can't clean up once it's instated which added trillions to the deficit oh and if Ole Joe and his buddies had their way they would be paying off all the school debt thank goodness no body allowed that great POS to go through but you would never have said anything bad about something as ignorant asa that spending now would you ??? 

 

Hate, Biased, fear mongering, is the democratic way in the Homeland !!

 

First off, comparing Trump’s tax cuts for the rich to Obamacare is like comparing apples to a dumpster fire. Obamacare expanded healthcare access for millions, and yes, it had a cost but it was aimed at helping people, not bailing out billionaires.

 

As for student debt - let’s get real. The GOP’s tax bill is slashing healthcare for millions, cutting taxes for the wealthiest, and adding trillions to the deficit without anything resembling a plan to fix it. But you want to talk about debt forgiveness? That’s a distraction.

 

You claim “hate” and “fear mongering” are the “Democratic way,” but let’s be honest your side is the one stoking division, spreading lies, and enabling the rich to suck dry the working class. That’s not patriotism. It’s exploitation.

 

If you're voting on the Big Beautiful Bill in the dead of night, you know it's a scam against the American people. Take a step back, turn off Fox News, and wake up - you're getting screwed by the very people you voted for, and yet you're still blaming Democrats. It's pathetic.

 

 

 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

10 minutes ago, Homelander said:

 

First off, comparing Trump’s tax cuts for the rich to Obamacare is like comparing apples to a dumpster fire. Obamacare expanded healthcare access for millions, and yes, it had a cost but it was aimed at helping people, not bailing out billionaires.

 

As for student debt - let’s get real. The GOP’s tax bill is slashing healthcare for millions, cutting taxes for the wealthiest, and adding trillions to the deficit without anything resembling a plan to fix it. But you want to talk about debt forgiveness? That’s a distraction.

 

You claim “hate” and “fear mongering” are the “Democratic way,” but let’s be honest your side is the one stoking division, spreading lies, and enabling the rich to suck dry the working class. That’s not patriotism. It’s exploitation.

 

If you're voting on the Big Beautiful Bill in the dead of night, you know it's a scam against the American people. Take a step back, turn off Fox News, and wake up - you're getting screwed by the very people you voted for, and yet you're still blaming Democrats. It's pathetic.

 

 

 

 

Naw dog, you're pathetic.

[TH3]

29 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Naw dog, you're pathetic.

Actually - You are leaving out the most pathetic part...taxes are going up for everyone like yourself - tariffs 

 

Face it...the orange guy and the GOP don't give a crap about you...who was at his inaugural? Who is getting their bag now? You got scammed.... read the bill - I did - takes about 10 minutes....

[ScotSHO]

35 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Naw dog, you're pathetic.

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

1 minute ago, TH3 said:

Actually - You are leaving out the most pathetic part...taxes are going up for everyone like yourself - tariffs 

 

Face it...the orange guy and the GOP don't give a crap about you...who was at his inaugural? Who is getting their bag now? You got scammed.... read the bill - I did - takes about 10 minutes....

Hey bud, the rich have been getting tax breaks forever, but now it's a problem?

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Naw dog, you're pathetic.

You’re a bit ‘tupid aren’t you?

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2025/05/20/republican-party-torn-apart-by-trumps-new-tax-bill/ 

 

Class conflict has erupted in Trump’s America – within his own Republican Party.

 

The party controls both houses of Congress, as well as the presidency. But their struggle to agree upon tax legislation shows that Republicans in Washington are challenged by the clashing interests of their traditional wealthy constituents and their new working-class base.

For decades, the Democratic Party, once the party of labour and farmers, has been losing white working-class and white rural voters to the Republicans. In the last decade and a half, working-class whites have been joined by growing numbers of Hispanic and black voters in the exodus to the GOP. Meanwhile, college-educated professionals and high-income voters – once the core of the Republican coalition – have migrated in the opposite direction to the Democratic Party.

 

The results of this realignment were dramatically evident in the election of 2024. Kamala Harris won voters from households earning more than $100,000 a year – roughly the top third of the population – along with low-income voters making less than $30,000 a year.

At the same time, Trump enjoyed a 20 percentage point improvement in support among voters from households earning between $50,000 and $100,000 a year.

This long-term class realignment of the parties has caused a crisis for the winners, the Republicans, as well as the losers, the Democrats. Affluent, college-educated “country club” Republicans, no longer dominant, are forced to share the party with working-class, less-educated “country music” Republicans. The tensions between the country club and country music wings of the party have erupted in debates over the tax bill that Congressional leaders and President Trump seek to pass by Memorial Day, May 26.

State and Local Tax deduction

One source of tension involves the State and Local Tax (Salt) deduction in the federal tax code, which allows taxpayers to deduct state and local taxes like property taxes and sales taxes from their federal income tax liability. The Salt deduction has indirectly subsidised the richest households who reside in places with the highest state and local taxes, like the New York and San Francisco metropolitan areas. The Joint Committee on Taxation in 2014 found that only 1 per cent of households earning less than $50,000 benefited from the Salt deduction, while 88 per cent of the benefit went to households with income above $100,000.

 

And for decades there was no cap to the deduction that the rich could claim.

This changed in 2017, when the Republican Congress in the first Trump administration capped the Salt deduction at $10,000 per household in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017. That Republicans, not Democrats, imposed the cap was shocking proof of how much the party had changed since the Reagan era. Members of the country music wing of the party asked: why should taxpayers in lower-income, less-educated states like Missouri and Montana subsidise millionaires and billionaires in high-tax, big-government coastal states like New York and California?

The fate of the Salt cap in the Republican tax bill has provoked furious controversy. The dwindling number of Republicans from Northeastern and West Coast “silk stocking” districts have insisted that the cap must be raised to benefit their constituents. One of the most vocal is Representative Nick LaLota. He represents Suffolk County, New York, the fourth wealthiest county in New York State.

 

Nationwide, however, few benefit from the Salt deduction – only 9.5 per cent of taxpayers claimed it in 2022.

Medicaid

Another flashpoint of conflict between the country club and country music factions of the Republican Party involves Medicaid, the joint federal-state programme of health insurance for low-income Americans. Back in the Reagan era, calls to cut spending on Medicaid and other social insurance and welfare programmes, whose recipients mostly voted for Democrats, were uncontroversial in a Republican party dominated by upscale voters angry at their tax bills. But many of the Republican Party’s new working-class and rural voters depend on Medicaid and other programmes like food stamps. This explains why some populist Republicans like Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri oppose cuts in Medicaid.

In addition, some Republicans fear that Democrats will claim that they cut spending on working-class and poor Americans to reduce taxes on the rich. To immunise themselves from Democratic attack ads, Republicans in Congress have included measures that benefit ordinary Americans and retirees in the bill, including an increase in the standard deduction for all taxpayers, an increase in the child tax credit to $2,500 until 2028, when it would revert to $2,000, a new $4,000 deduction for Americans over 65 (instead of the elimination of taxation on Social Security that Trump favoured), and the elimination of taxes on tips, one of Trump’s campaign promises, but only until 2028.

 

Having criticised President Biden’s policies of forgiving student loan debts of some college graduates as elitist, Congressional Republicans would allow car owners of all classes to deduct up to $10,000 in interest on car loans.

Slowly but surely, then, the Republican Party is responding to its newly-important working-class voters by letting them share – if only a little – in the tax-cut largesse given to its traditional affluent supporters.

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

19 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

You’re a bit ‘tupid aren’t you?

Rich, coming from u.

[Homelander]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

Sorry that, as a small business owner, im not paying enough taxes for you.  

 

You're more than welcome to encourage your friends to give more than required to the IRS, which, I’m sure, you do every year, yes?