Roundybout Posted June 26 Posted June 26 Just now, AlBUNDY4TDS said: How much would you like to wager the government had nothing to do with his death? He died in ICE custody, did he not?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted June 26 Posted June 26 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: He died in ICE custody, did he not? Did they kill him? People die roundy.
Roundybout Posted June 26 Posted June 26 1 minute ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Did they kill him? People die roundy. You said the government had nothing to do with it. Obviously that is not true.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted June 26 Posted June 26 Just now, Roundybout said: You said the government had nothing to do with it. Obviously that is not true. You're a lost cause.
Roundybout Posted June 26 Posted June 26 2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: You're a lost cause. Simple fact. He was in an ICE facility. We know these places are sick and overcrowded because of Trump’s failed immigration crackdown.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted June 26 Posted June 26 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: Simple fact. He was in an ICE facility. We know these places are sick and overcrowded because of Trump’s failed immigration crackdown. He could have died naturally. We don't know anything. But don't let that stop u from displaying your bias. 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Simple fact. He was in an ICE facility. We know these places are sick and overcrowded because of Trump’s failed immigration crackdown. How can they be overcrowded? I thought Obama deported more. You talk in circles.
JDHillFan Posted June 26 Posted June 26 12 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Well I guess that means the government can now kill them! No questions asked. Would you go so far as to say he was murdered? Please say yes.
Roundybout Posted June 26 Posted June 26 3 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: He could have died naturally. We don't know anything. But don't let that stop u from displaying your bias. How can they be overcrowded? I thought Obama deported more. You talk in circles. They’re overcrowded because they’re desperately trying to hit their quotas, so they’re shoving people into facilities with no actual plan on processing them in an orderly fashion. They’re still far below the goal. 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: Would you go so far as to say he was murdered? Please say yes. Remains to be seen. It wouldn’t surprise me, given how barbaric and inhumane ICE agents are.
JDHillFan Posted June 26 Posted June 26 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: They’re overcrowded because they’re desperately trying to hit their quotas, so they’re shoving people into facilities with no actual plan on processing them in an orderly fashion. They’re still far below the goal. Remains to be seen. It wouldn’t surprise me, given how barbaric and inhumane ICE agents are. The government killed him but it may not have been murder is your current position, correct?
Roundybout Posted June 26 Posted June 26 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: The government killed him but it may not have been murder is your current position, correct? Might have been manslaughter!
JDHillFan Posted June 26 Posted June 26 5 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Might have been manslaughter! I’m going with heart attack and all hysteria rendered moot. Let’s see which of us is closer with our beliefs.
Roundybout Posted June 26 Posted June 26 Just now, JDHillFan said: I’m going with heart attack and all hysteria rendered moot. Let’s see which of us is closer with our beliefs. Luckily we have a very transparent and accountable administration in power /s
JDHillFan Posted June 26 Posted June 26 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Luckily we have a very transparent and accountable administration in power /s You have been exceedingly excitable today. Is it related to the S&P closing in on record highs? Are you disappointed that you didn’t buy the dip? You really should have.
Roundybout Posted June 26 Posted June 26 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: You have been exceedingly excitable today. Is it related to the S&P closing in on record highs? Are you disappointed that you didn’t buy the dip? You really should have. Well I think it’s a bit scary that certain posters here want to strip the citizenship and deport a political candidate just because they don’t like his views.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 26 Posted June 26 23 hours ago, GaryPinC said: ?? There's no visa status since he moved to this country at 7 years old. He was a former green card holder who made mistakes after his serving his country, served his time, lost his card in 2009 after crimes and a prison term, but was given deferred action status if he stayed clean and sober and checked in every year which he was doing for 14 years. A family to look after, and by all accounts recently ICE simply decided to end his deferred status and gave him the option to self deport before they kicked him out. Gotta meet that Trump quota for kicking criminals out. Traffic tickets, crimes no matter how long ago and even after fully prosecuted/resolved it doesn't matter. All ICE could do was cite his criminal past and ignore the fact that he's lived a clean life since then as they required him to do to maintain deferred status. Worked a job, paid his taxes, raised a family. Who's ultimately responsible for the situation? He is and he knows it. He blames no one, but was shocked yet resigned that he must go back to Korea and probably not be allowed to come back and visit his family again. Classy and an optimist who is grateful for the privileges he has enjoyed in his life here. But if you or anyone doesn't have the conscience to realize this is wrong and not what this country is about, that's on you. This NPR article does a better job of quoting his story then the rest: https://www.npr.org/2025/06/24/g-s1-74036/trump-ice-self-deportation-army-veteran-hawaii?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com Horrible story, though I have to tell you, I'm not sure I agree with you on 'what this country is all about'. I see cases where property owned by families for generations is seized by the government through eminent domain, people are overcharged for crimes or blamed/targeted for the actions of others. I think we probably both wish that sort off ugliness didn't exist, and outrage didn't fall around political lines, but that's the way it is. In this case, I'd think somewhere between "open borders and chaos" and "forcing a 55 year old veteran of the US Army to leave" is probably where we all want to be. That said, we have what we have because of what was allowed and encouraged. It's a mess. Perhaps cooler, more compassionate heads with prevail and this man can be brought back to his family.
JDHillFan Posted June 26 Posted June 26 5 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Well I think it’s a bit scary that certain posters here want to strip the citizenship and deport a political candidate just because they don’t like his views. All well and good. That doesn’t explain your absurd takes in every other thread but it’s ok. I too would be pissed if I hadn’t bought the dip. Remember that for the next time you want to cut off your nose to somehow spite Trump’s face. It’s a fool’s errand.
4th&long Posted June 27 Posted June 27 Son of U.S. soldier born on Army base in Germany deported to Jamaica https://flip.it/RdOM_- This is what you asshats voted for.
GaryPinC Posted June 27 Posted June 27 On 6/26/2025 at 8:57 AM, LeviF said: Uh, yeah, that's what "deferred action" means. It's kicking your deportation down the road a couple of years as a matter of discretion. He had 14 years (renewed his deferment six times, that means) to get his ***** together and get out on his own. It's also a grey area of the law utilized in complicated situations such as this. He was given a second chance 14 years ago if he met the conditions to check in every year and live a clean life, to be allowed to stay in the country. He made the right choices and ICE honored the agreement until this administration's ICE decided they needed to fill their quota and could point to his past. Well within their rights but that doesn't make it the correct decision. I definitely commend ICE for going after too many violent criminals the dumb ass Biden administration let in. This is not one of them and is just one example of ICE filling quotas so the administration can brag how many criminals they removed. How about they focus on the people that truly need removed even if it means lower numbers deported? On 6/25/2025 at 4:30 PM, Pokebball said: Yeah, I stated it's a sad story. Or perhaps the better way of saying it is that it's unfortunate. And rather than arguing the differences between a green card and a visa, the point is that both come with requirements while in America. Thanks for acknowledging that he is the one responsible for meeting those requirements. Like so many issues, this one comes down to (1) changing the laws or (2) ignoring the laws. You forgot: 3) finding a grey area that the judges, ICE and person can agree on. That's where we were with the former green card veteran who has lived here since 7 years old, made some mistakes and got his life straightened back out. Then our new administration's leadership changed the playing field 18 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Horrible story, though I have to tell you, I'm not sure I agree with you on 'what this country is all about'. I see cases where property owned by families for generations is seized by the government through eminent domain, people are overcharged for crimes or blamed/targeted for the actions of others. I think we probably both wish that sort off ugliness didn't exist, and outrage didn't fall around political lines, but that's the way it is. In this case, I'd think somewhere between "open borders and chaos" and "forcing a 55 year old veteran of the US Army to leave" is probably where we all want to be. That said, we have what we have because of what was allowed and encouraged. It's a mess. Perhaps cooler, more compassionate heads with prevail and this man can be brought back to his family. Let's hope so, and I do hope they will. I also hope ICE will narrow their focus to the immigrant criminals everyone would like to see removed instead of removing productive members of society just because they have an excuse to do so. There can be humanity in administering the laws and I think most Americans would want to be in that space.
GaryPinC Posted June 27 Posted June 27 19 hours ago, Roundybout said: They’re overcrowded because they’re desperately trying to hit their quotas, so they’re shoving people into facilities with no actual plan on processing them in an orderly fashion. They’re still far below the goal. Remains to be seen. It wouldn’t surprise me, given how barbaric and inhumane ICE agents are. You're way over the top on this until more facts are known. We don't know the man's medical history for starters. 1
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