OnTheRocks Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 My point is that James Taranto, the WSJ’s resident retard, is throwing out a little red meat hyperbole: "We are fighting an enemy that murdered 3,000 innocent people on American soil 3 1/2 years ago and would murder millions more if given the chance--and according to Dick Durbin, our soldiers are the Nazis." 360439[/snapback] if you think Taranto is a retard what does that make Durbin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBusBillsFan Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Durbin should be ashamed of what he said. These prisoners in gitmo are being treated pretty well considering who they are. They do NOT fall under the Geneva Conventions because they are not a uniformed, legitimate military. These aren't members of the Republican Guard or anything like that. These are people who dress like civilians and cut off American heads. We don't technically have to treat them this well, but we do. How come we never hear anything about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 My point is that James Taranto, the WSJ’s resident retard, is throwing out a little red meat hyperbole: "We are fighting an enemy that murdered 3,000 innocent people on American soil 3 1/2 years ago and would murder millions more if given the chance--and according to Dick Durbin, our soldiers are the Nazis." 360439[/snapback] It IS "red meat", but there is at least an element of truth to it. What Durban said isnt even CLOSE to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 if you think Taranto is a retard what does that make Durbin? 360486[/snapback] read the congressional record and see if you think that Taranto is fairly characterizing the scope and content of Durbin's speech: in pdf: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ge...94&position=all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 read the congressional record and see if you think that Taranto is fairly characterizing the scope and content of Durbin's speech: in pdf: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ge...94&position=all 360504[/snapback] that is a funny looking answer to my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 that is a funny looking answer to my question. 360507[/snapback] Durbin is not the WSJ's resident retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW_BillsFan Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 We should close down Gitmo ASAP. Send the towel heads that we have now over to Israel. They know how to treat prisioners over there. Oh, and I'm tired of heard left wing a-holes like Durbin and the professor in Colorado making parallels of the USA and the Nazis. The Nazis killed 6? Million Jews in concentration camps. How many prisioners have died at Gitmo? How many of those bastards at Gitmo are just skin and bones? These kinds of parallels are an insult to the USA and the horrors that the Jewish community had to go through in WWII. Burn in hell Durbin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Burn in hell Durbin... 360529[/snapback] Damn you Durbin for using clumbsy hypotheticals to finish your point with 30 seconds left in your alloted time to defend the Geneva Convention, Damn you to Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Damn you Durbin for using clumbsy hypotheticals to finish your point with 30 seconds left in your alloted time to defend the Geneva Convention, Damn you to Hell. 360535[/snapback] The Geneva Convention doesnt apply to prisoners at GTMO. Strike Two, Reuben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Durbin is not the WSJ's resident retard. 360511[/snapback] pulling the old "non-response response" out of the bag of tricks gets a little old doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 The Geneva Convention doesnt apply to prisoners at GTMO. Strike Two, Reuben. 360539[/snapback] if you read the congressional record the speech he gave was that it should. (what was strike one?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 pulling the old "non-response response" out of the bag of tricks gets a little old doesn't it? 360540[/snapback] I just damned him to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 what Durbin said: "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners." Where did he call anyone a Nazi? 360237[/snapback] Actually, I see the point being made and the justified criticism of his remarks. He said that the treatment of the prisoners directly equates to the Nazi's, Soviet's, and Pol Pot's treatment of prisoners. Saying that if you leave out the fact that it was an FBI report about Gitmo, you would not be able to tell the difference between the American's treatment of the detainees and the Nazi's, Soviet's and Pol Pot's treatment of their prisoners. It is a direct comparison and highly irresponsible. It also shows blatant ignorance of history on the part of Durbin. How many millions were slaughtered at the hands of those brutal regimes? It does not even come close to what is happening at Gitmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Isn't ANYBODY getting tired of this Gitmo argument? Once again, inflamatory partisan politics at it's best, and everyone suckers into it. Durbin knows damn well that he's WAY off base - just providing rhetoric. either that, or he's incredibly stupid. The number two guy of either party is supposed to be the rabble-rouser. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and go for option A. All this is is an attempt to muddy the waters. Doesn't have to be accurate or have a point. He could have just said "Bush Bad", and in the grand scheme it has the same effect. Once again, as with anything else - if this is such a travesty, where is the proposed logical solution? Right, there isn't one. Buying in to every single piece of junk fro either side is eventually going to really get someone's eyes WAY off the ball. As far as I'm concerned, the more the administration has to defend itself from a segment of the American people, the more diluted the fight against the bad guys becomes. But, letting people do their jobs seems to beyond many "experts". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 read the congressional record and see if you think that Taranto is fairly characterizing the scope and content of Durbin's speech: in pdf: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ge...94&position=all 360504[/snapback] While I agree with alot of what was said along the way, Durbin committed the cardinal sin of going one step too far and crushing his own argument with unneeded rhetoric. Anyone who compares turning on or off air conditioning or not taking prisoners to the bathroom for 18-24 hours to the worst murderers in human history is undermining themselves (that's being very charitable). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Idle curiosity. What is Durbin doing with a field agent's email? And - what is the philosophical make-up of this particular "FBI agent"? I'm not saying the person is liberal, conservative or whatever - might just be a different level of sensitivity. Has it occured to anyone that this person's idea of "torture" might not be someone elses? I don't know that what was going on was ever described that way by the author of the email. As far as I know, it could have been an objective AAR - that the Democrat operatives got their hands on, and made their own story twist out of it. If anyone here seriously considers cold airconditioning and Rap music to be unspeakable torture...I simply don't know WHAT to say, except perhaps to call you "victim" someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 While I agree with alot of what was said along the way, Durbin committed the cardinal sin of going one step too far and crushing his own argument with unneeded rhetoric. Anyone who compares turning on or off air conditioning or not taking prisoners to the bathroom for 18-24 hours to the worst murderers in human history is undermining themselves (that's being very charitable). 360585[/snapback] Very well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTW_BillsFan Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Very well said. 360614[/snapback] Yes, much better said than my rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Here's some articles for those who are confused about what a gulag is. The North Korean gulags are a direct decendant of Stalin's. Death, terror in N. Korea gulag Former Guard: Ahn Myong Chol A Survivor: Soon Ok Lee Child prisoner: Kang Chol Hwan The Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea’s Prison Camps; Prisoners’ Testimonies and Satellite Photographs I could find plenty of more sources, but I can only stand so much. Questioning the methods and manner of Gitmo detention is a legitimate discussion to have. Comparing it to a Nazi concentration camp or a gulag identifies the source as an imbecile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Isn't ANYBODY getting tired of this Gitmo argument? Once again, inflamatory partisan politics at it's best, and everyone suckers into it. Durbin knows damn well that he's WAY off base - just providing rhetoric. either that, or he's incredibly stupid. The number two guy of either party is supposed to be the rabble-rouser. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and go for option A. All this is is an attempt to muddy the waters. Doesn't have to be accurate or have a point. He could have just said "Bush Bad", and in the grand scheme it has the same effect. Once again, as with anything else - if this is such a travesty, where is the proposed logical solution? Right, there isn't one. Buying in to every single piece of junk fro either side is eventually going to really get someone's eyes WAY off the ball. As far as I'm concerned, the more the administration has to defend itself from a segment of the American people, the more diluted the fight against the bad guys becomes. But, letting people do their jobs seems to beyond many "experts". 360561[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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