pennstate10 Posted September 9 Posted September 9 On 9/7/2025 at 7:05 PM, Orlando Buffalo said: Your pilot situation is a good example of my expert vs governments. I would prefer the guy who has been flying a777 for 15 years into and out of 100 airports to tell me what is happening with it. Government experts have read about it, sometimes not for that long, and understand in a textbook world but that does not exist. also I get the issues with Hep B, but for an illness that comes from specific situations, fluids from infected people, it does not need to be mandated. I have never been in risk of it and making it mandatory is inappropriate. Hi Lando, I think you have a couple of misconceptions on how the CDC works. 1) Vaccine recommendations have historically been set by the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices (ACIP). this committee has historically been composed of true experts on vaccines, including pediatricians, immunologists, infectious disease physicians. They generally have at least 20 years experience post graduate or medical schools, and are highly respected full professors at academic medical centers. Here is the list from the 2019 Trump administration, so nothing to do with Biden administration. https://archive.cdc.gov/www_cdc_gov/vaccines/acip/committee/members-archive/members-2018-oct-2019-jun.html Contrast that list with the misfits appointed by RFK, only one (Meissner) has a current academic appointment and could be considered an ID/vaccine expert. https://www.cdc.gov/acip/membership/roster.html So these arent CDC employees sitting in an ivory tower; historically, ACIP has consisted of true experts. 2) I have no doubt that some CDC employees are true pencil pushers who never leave Atlanta. But other CDC employees are boots-on-the-ground epidemiologists, who are among the first experts at an outbreak scene, whether a cluster of lead poisoning in Wisconsin, or Ebola in Liberia. So not just textbook understanding. All of this is in flux as RFKjr and Trump proceed to destroy American health care research. 1 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 9 Posted September 9 10 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Hi Lando, I think you have a couple of misconceptions on how the CDC works. 1) Vaccine recommendations have historically been set by the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices (ACIP). this committee has historically been composed of true experts on vaccines, including pediatricians, immunologists, infectious disease physicians. They generally have at least 20 years experience post graduate or medical schools, and are highly respected full professors at academic medical centers. Here is the list from the 2019 Trump administration, so nothing to do with Biden administration. https://archive.cdc.gov/www_cdc_gov/vaccines/acip/committee/members-archive/members-2018-oct-2019-jun.html Contrast that list with the misfits appointed by RFK, only one (Meissner) has a current academic appointment and could be considered an ID/vaccine expert. https://www.cdc.gov/acip/membership/roster.html So these arent CDC employees sitting in an ivory tower; historically, ACIP has consisted of true experts. 2) I have no doubt that some CDC employees are true pencil pushers who never leave Atlanta. But other CDC employees are boots-on-the-ground epidemiologists, who are among the first experts at an outbreak scene, whether a cluster of lead poisoning in Wisconsin, or Ebola in Liberia. So not just textbook understanding. All of this is in flux as RFKjr and Trump proceed to destroy American health care research. I I have dealt with FEMA and they were incompetent 20 years ago and have gotten worse. As I stated I personally know two of the government nuclear experts, and they are not experts, one of the last leader of the HHS was a mentally man pretending to be a woman. If you believe it was well run over the past 20 years after watching it botch COVID in every way possible I will never convince you. And your point about some of them being boots on the ground type of guys does not make them competent people and especially does not mean there input is ever used 1 1
pennstate10 Posted September 10 Posted September 10 (edited) 6 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I I have dealt with FEMA and they were incompetent 20 years ago and have gotten worse. As I stated I personally know two of the government nuclear experts, and they are not experts, one of the last leader of the HHS was a mentally man pretending to be a woman. If you believe it was well run over the past 20 years after watching it botch COVID in every way possible I will never convince you. And your point about some of them being boots on the ground type of guys does not make them competent people and especially does not mean there input is ever used Sorry Lando, fema and nuclear energy have nothing to do with cdc. Completely different entities. I think you’ve moved the goalposts a tiny bit. I have no idea who the “hhs leader that was pretending to be a man “ is or was, and I’ve worked for hhs (nih, not cdc) for the past 25 years. My best guess is this was an hhs employee who made some noise, but was not a hhs leader, especially during the Covid pandemic. CDC for the past 50 years has been considered the gold standard for epidemiology and public health throughout the world. It was well run. If you have friends or acquaintances who work in infectious disease, ask them about cdc reputation prior to Covid. They made one serious error during Covid pandemic — diagnostic kits were faulty. All other errors during the Covid pandemic were due to being overly cautious during a novel pandemic. It’s hard for me to score them overly hard for trying to save lives when it was unclear how lethal this virus was. In retrospect, yes, masking, social distancing, etc were probably too stringent. But in real-time, CDC was thinking of Covid in the context of two other 21st century new corona viruses, SARS and MERS, both with mortality rates of 10-40%. Go Bills! Edited September 10 by pennstate10 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 10 Posted September 10 9 hours ago, pennstate10 said: Sorry Lando, fema and nuclear energy have nothing to do with cdc. Completely different entities. I think you’ve moved the goalposts a tiny bit. I have no idea who the “hhs leader that was pretending to be a man “ is or was, and I’ve worked for hhs (nih, not cdc) for the past 25 years. My best guess is this was an hhs employee who made some noise, but was not a hhs leader, especially during the Covid pandemic. CDC for the past 50 years has been considered the gold standard for epidemiology and public health throughout the world. It was well run. If you have friends or acquaintances who work in infectious disease, ask them about cdc reputation prior to Covid. They made one serious error during Covid pandemic — diagnostic kits were faulty. All other errors during the Covid pandemic were due to being overly cautious during a novel pandemic. It’s hard for me to score them overly hard for trying to save lives when it was unclear how lethal this virus was. In retrospect, yes, masking, social distancing, etc were probably too stringent. But in real-time, CDC was thinking of Covid in the context of two other 21st century new corona viruses, SARS and MERS, both with mortality rates of 10-40%. Go Bills! He's referencing Rachel Levine, Surgeon General. He's ignorant and not worth your time but it's almost irresistible to not engage him on his silliness.
B-Man Posted September 10 Posted September 10 15 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I I have dealt with FEMA and they were incompetent 20 years ago and have gotten worse. As I stated I personally know two of the government nuclear experts, and they are not experts, one of the last leader of the HHS was a mentally man pretending to be a woman. If you believe it was well run over the past 20 years after watching it botch COVID in every way possible I will never convince you. And your point about some of them being boots on the ground type of guys does not make them competent people and especially does not mean there input is ever used Well put. But back to Billstime/Homelander thread topic...................... How are you doing down there in Florida with all those measles germs heat-seeking around you ? 1 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 10 Posted September 10 10 hours ago, pennstate10 said: Sorry Lando, fema and nuclear energy have nothing to do with cdc. Completely different entities. I think you’ve moved the goalposts a tiny bit. I have no idea who the “hhs leader that was pretending to be a man “ is or was, and I’ve worked for hhs (nih, not cdc) for the past 25 years. My best guess is this was an hhs employee who made some noise, but was not a hhs leader, especially during the Covid pandemic. CDC for the past 50 years has been considered the gold standard for epidemiology and public health throughout the world. It was well run. If you have friends or acquaintances who work in infectious disease, ask them about cdc reputation prior to Covid. They made one serious error during Covid pandemic — diagnostic kits were faulty. All other errors during the Covid pandemic were due to being overly cautious during a novel pandemic. It’s hard for me to score them overly hard for trying to save lives when it was unclear how lethal this virus was. In retrospect, yes, masking, social distancing, etc were probably too stringent. But in real-time, CDC was thinking of Covid in the context of two other 21st century new corona viruses, SARS and MERS, both with mortality rates of 10-40%. Go Bills! "Rachel" Levine was second in command at the HHS under Biden. My point is if HHS is well run I would be shocked. I have seen no evidence that the government is well run in any of the departments at any level or even knows what it's job is functionally. One place we actually agree is that the US dept are more competent than other countries, but that is an extremely low bar, seeing as half of the world's governments are openly corrupt. We won't agree on this because I find the waste and political manipulation surrounding COVID to be appalling The requirement of children to get the shot immoral, and yes that is the proper word. I do appreciate your thoughts and honest discussion, because often this place gets just name calling and I am trying to be better about that.
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