Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 7 Posted September 7 1 minute ago, pennstate10 said: I find it stunning how little Kennedy understands about medicine. Three key concepts he fails to understand 1) Life is not risk free. Neither is medicine. All medical interventions have risks. 2) Vaccines are safety tested. In phase I, II, and III trials, done before vaccines are approved for use. The most useful of these is usually the phase III trial, which will typically enroll hundreds or thousands of volunteers. Read the NEJM articles on Covid mRNA vaccines. Theses article are free and publicly available, and have exhaustive lists of side effects in the vaccine and placebo groups. 3) Hep B vaccines aren’t given to prevent infant deaths. They are given to prevent chronic hepatitis, which can lead to death 30-50 years later. He hates the medical establishment. It's not uncommon in corporate types. He hates the establishment in general.. Which is strange given his family is ultra establishment excepting his grandfather who was a bit sketchy. This anti establishment trope is a pillar of MAGA...even if they suffer from it. No idea what they expect to happen to make their loves better but it isn't rfk jr. 1
pennstate10 Posted September 7 Posted September 7 9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: He hates the medical establishment. It's not uncommon in corporate types. He hates the establishment in general.. Which is strange given his family is ultra establishment excepting his grandfather who was a bit sketchy. This anti establishment trope is a pillar of MAGA...even if they suffer from it. No idea what they expect to happen to make their loves better but it isn't rfk jr. https://www.axios.com/2025/09/05/robert-f-kennedys-nephew-calls-resign His family is calling on him to resign, and orangie is no longer giving him cover. Hope he’s gone soon. 1 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 7 Posted September 7 11 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: https://www.axios.com/2025/09/05/robert-f-kennedys-nephew-calls-resign His family is calling on him to resign, and orangie is no longer giving him cover. Hope he’s gone soon. He's definitely a black sheep. They must be wondering "how did he get here?". And then they remember trump is prez... 1
JFKjr Posted September 7 Posted September 7 7 hours ago, pennstate10 said: I find it stunning how little Kennedy understands about medicine. Three key concepts he fails to understand 1) Life is not risk free. Neither is medicine. All medical interventions have risks. 2) Vaccines are safety tested. In phase I, II, and III trials, done before vaccines are approved for use. The most useful of these is usually the phase III trial, which will typically enroll hundreds or thousands of volunteers. Read the NEJM articles on Covid mRNA vaccines. Theses article are free and publicly available, and have exhaustive lists of side effects in the vaccine and placebo groups. 3) Hep B vaccines aren’t given to prevent infant deaths. They are given to prevent chronic hepatitis, which can lead to death 30-50 years later. Life is not 'risk-free.' But somehow the herd got talked into the brand new technology of the 'covid vaccine.' Safe and effective! They are not tested with placebos. And there are many issues. Vaccination and Neurodevelopmental Disorders: A Study of Nine-Year-Old Children Enrolled in Medicaid Seems like it shouldn't be a big issue to at least 'study' it. Especially with the unexplained explosion of autism in recent decades.
pennstate10 Posted September 7 Posted September 7 (edited) 51 minutes ago, JFKjr said: Life is not 'risk-free.' But somehow the herd got talked into the brand new technology of the 'covid vaccine.' Safe and effective! They are not tested with placebos. And there are many issues. Vaccination and Neurodevelopmental Disorders: A Study of Nine-Year-Old Children Enrolled in Medicaid Seems like it shouldn't be a big issue to at least 'study' it. Especially with the unexplained explosion of autism in recent decades. Uhhhh….. you realize that the video you linked discusses evaluation of onetime of the Covid vaccines, right? A trial in which 30,000 people were enrolled. Half got the Covid vaccine, and the other half received a ……. Any guesses? A placebo. Edited September 7 by pennstate10 Apelling 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 7 Posted September 7 2 hours ago, pennstate10 said: Uhhhh….. you realize that the video you linked discusses evaluation of onetime of the Covid vaccines, right? A trial in which 30,000 people were enrolled. Half got the Covid vaccine, and the other half received a ……. Any guesses? A placebo. time to ignore him. argue with a moron and you get a little bit less intelligent.
Wolfgang Posted September 7 Posted September 7 32 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: time to ignore him. argue with a moron and you get a little bit less intelligent.
The Frankish Reich Posted September 7 Posted September 7 5 hours ago, pennstate10 said: Uhhhh….. you realize that the video you linked discusses evaluation of onetime of the Covid vaccines, right? A trial in which 30,000 people were enrolled. Half got the Covid vaccine, and the other half received a ……. Any guesses? A placebo. You expect people to read their own links? A totally unfair double standard!
The Frankish Reich Posted September 7 Posted September 7 14 hours ago, pennstate10 said: I find it stunning how little Kennedy understands about medicine. Three key concepts he fails to understand 1) Life is not risk free. Neither is medicine. All medical interventions have risks. 2) Vaccines are safety tested. In phase I, II, and III trials, done before vaccines are approved for use. The most useful of these is usually the phase III trial, which will typically enroll hundreds or thousands of volunteers. Read the NEJM articles on Covid mRNA vaccines. Theses article are free and publicly available, and have exhaustive lists of side effects in the vaccine and placebo groups. 3) Hep B vaccines aren’t given to prevent infant deaths. They are given to prevent chronic hepatitis, which can lead to death 30-50 years later. The Hep B thing is really just about when it should be administered, not if. So I can accept that as a reasonable debate. But the other crap is, well, crap. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 7 Posted September 7 8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: The Hep B thing is really just about when it should be administered, not if. So I can accept that as a reasonable debate. But the other crap is, well, crap. I am glad you have found something to complain about. What is so funny to me is until 2020 it was liberals who fought to get exemptions. Marin County in CA was considered the least vaccinated area of America in 2015. Imagine having this kind of flip in mentality all because of TDS. https://www.marincounty.gov/news-releases/check-immunizations-your-back-school-list
The Frankish Reich Posted September 7 Posted September 7 1 minute ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I am glad you have found something to complain about. What is so funny to me is until 2020 it was liberals who fought to get exemptions. Marin County in CA was considered the least vaccinated area of America in 2015. Imagine having this kind of flip in mentality all because of TDS. https://www.marincounty.gov/news-releases/check-immunizations-your-back-school-list I just said all this nonsense started with granola types. So are you proud that you're following their lead right off the cliff? 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 7 Posted September 7 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I just said all this nonsense started with granola types. So are you proud that you're following their lead right off the cliff? Actually I just spent 5 minutes doong a little research. The Hep B rate prior to the vaccine was 10 per 100k and it is now 5 per 100k. this never should have been required. Most people don't have behaviors that make it likely they will get it even if they come into contact with people with Hep B. That does not even mention the fact that less than 20% of people with it even have symptoms. On a different note I have been for parents having the right to opt their kids out of vaccines, I got my kids vaccinated on everything recommended up to age 10, but I am smarter than liberal morons.
The Frankish Reich Posted September 7 Posted September 7 7 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Actually I just spent 5 minutes doong a litte research. The Hep B rate prior to the vaccine was 10 per 100k and it is now 5 per 100k. this never should have been required. Most people don't have behaviors that make it likely they will get it even if they come into contact with people with Hep B. That does not even mention the fact that less than 20% of people with it even have symptoms. On a different note I have been for parents having the right to opt their kids out of vaccines, I got my kids vaccinated on everything recommended up to age 10, but I am smarter than liberal morons. Yes, you do seem to be smarter than liberal morons. Good for you and your family. I saw Rand Paul on one of the Sunday morning news shows. He said something like this about the CDC: "they think they know better than you about vaccines." Yes! They do! They know better than the average person because it is their job to know better than the average person. You know who knows better about the dangers of nuclear materials than you or me? The Nuclear Regulatory Commission experts. You know who knows better than you or me about acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water? The EPA! We're no longer in the Question Authority bumper sticker world. We're in the Dismiss Authority or Assume Authority Wants to Make Us Subservient to Something or Other world. It's a good thing to encourage debate and to question the advice of official boards and commissions; it is foolhardy to dismiss it, or even worse to ascribe some kind of sinister motivations to it. And that's where we are. Most annoying: we know Trump doesn't believe his own Administration's bs. We know that he believes Operation Warp Speed was a great achievement (it was!). But he's more concerned about retaining power (or holding off another RFK Jr challenge to his anointed successor) than he is about telling the truth here. 1
Wolfgang Posted September 7 Posted September 7 (edited) 17 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: can't bear watching it. do u have an 8 pack? a six? have you ever? get some anger management. Edited September 7 by Wolfgang
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 7 Posted September 7 32 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Yes, you do seem to be smarter than liberal morons. Good for you and your family. I saw Rand Paul on one of the Sunday morning news shows. He said something like this about the CDC: "they think they know better than you about vaccines." Yes! They do! They know better than the average person because it is their job to know better than the average person. You know who knows better about the dangers of nuclear materials than you or me? The Nuclear Regulatory Commission experts. You know who knows better than you or me about acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water? The EPA! We're no longer in the Question Authority bumper sticker world. We're in the Dismiss Authority or Assume Authority Wants to Make Us Subservient to Something or Other world. It's a good thing to encourage debate and to question the advice of official boards and commissions; it is foolhardy to dismiss it, or even worse to ascribe some kind of sinister motivations to it. And that's where we are. Most annoying: we know Trump doesn't believe his own Administration's bs. We know that he believes Operation Warp Speed was a great achievement (it was!). But he's more concerned about retaining power (or holding off another RFK Jr challenge to his anointed successor) than he is about telling the truth here. So I disagree with some of this because I just saw a report of how little doctors understand of the math of vaccines and the tests that they use to diagnose things. I believe 99% of doctors try to be right but the health world is so large now and since each medicine is presented in the numbers that make them look best they don't have time to be correct all the time. I need to learn about my conditions and how to deal with it. As for politicians not believing their own BS, of course we know that, it is why they were exempted from the disaster of Obamacare but that is why we need less mandatory rules.
pennstate10 Posted September 7 Posted September 7 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Actually I just spent 5 minutes doong a little research. The Hep B rate prior to the vaccine was 10 per 100k and it is now 5 per 100k. this never should have been required. Most people don't have behaviors that make it likely they will get it even if they come into contact with people with Hep B. That does not even mention the fact that less than 20% of people with it even have symptoms. On a different note I have been for parents having the right to opt their kids out of vaccines, I got my kids vaccinated on everything recommended up to age 10, but I am smarter than liberal morons. You and Aaron Rodger’s doing your own research eh? Smarter than 100s of pediatricians, microbiologists, and ID specialists who have devoted their lives to studying vaccines, eh? And in just 5 minutes!, incredible! Seriously, I don’t know where you got your #s from, but they’re wrong. Maybe you’re looking at acute vs chronic hep B? on an earlier topic, you’re 100% correct. Vax hesitancy used to be the province of the wacko libs. Now it’s been taken over by the wacko maga. Still wacko idiots with no medical knowledge or training.
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 7 Posted September 7 3 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: You and Aaron Rodger’s doing your own research eh? Smarter than 100s of pediatricians, microbiologists, and ID specialists who have devoted their lives to studying vaccines, eh? And in just 5 minutes!, incredible! Seriously, I don’t know where you got your #s from, but they’re wrong. Maybe you’re looking at acute vs chronic hep B? on an earlier topic, you’re 100% correct. Vax hesitancy used to be the province of the wacko libs. Now it’s been taken over by the wacko maga. Still wacko idiots with no medical knowledge or training. My numbers came from the CDC, you are welcome to show me what I need to know. you and I do differ in one place, I don't respect government experts abilities to understand the implications of what they do. Too many government experts are not experts at all, I personally know 2 people who are now government "experts" on nuclear weapons, to the point they speak for the US in negotiations with other countries, and they are bright guys but not experts by any reasonable standard. 1
pennstate10 Posted September 7 Posted September 7 1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said: My numbers came from the CDC, you are welcome to show me what I need to know. you and I do differ in one place, I don't respect government experts abilities to understand the implications of what they do. Too many government experts are not experts at all, I personally know 2 people who are now government "experts" on nuclear weapons, to the point they speak for the US in negotiations with other countries, and they are bright guys but not experts by any reasonable standard. Do your numbers come from the real CDC -- pre-2025 -- or from the Trump / Kennedy CDC? Obviously, the Kennedy CDC numbers are suspect, as they are generated and massaged by people who have no medical experience whatsoever. Here are a few articles on link between chronic hep B, cirrhosis, and liver cancer. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra1713263 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa013215 https://www.hepb.org/blog/link-hepatitis-b-liver-cancer/ https://www.mdanderson.org/prevention-screening/manage-your-risk/hepatitis.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220039/ You may have no respect for subject matter experts; i differ. I might read a book on nuclear weapons, and understand the concepts of enrichment and implosion, but I couldnt produce a nuclear weapon. I can read a book on safely piloting a 777, but I dont think you would want me flying one. As opposed to an expert.
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 7 Posted September 7 44 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Do your numbers come from the real CDC -- pre-2025 -- or from the Trump / Kennedy CDC? Obviously, the Kennedy CDC numbers are suspect, as they are generated and massaged by people who have no medical experience whatsoever. Here are a few articles on link between chronic hep B, cirrhosis, and liver cancer. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra1713263 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa013215 https://www.hepb.org/blog/link-hepatitis-b-liver-cancer/ https://www.mdanderson.org/prevention-screening/manage-your-risk/hepatitis.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220039/ You may have no respect for subject matter experts; i differ. I might read a book on nuclear weapons, and understand the concepts of enrichment and implosion, but I couldnt produce a nuclear weapon. I can read a book on safely piloting a 777, but I dont think you would want me flying one. As opposed to an expert. Your pilot situation is a good example of my expert vs governments. I would prefer the guy who has been flying a777 for 15 years into and out of 100 airports to tell me what is happening with it. Government experts have read about it, sometimes not for that long, and understand in a textbook world but that does not exist. also I get the issues with Hep B, but for an illness that comes from specific situations, fluids from infected people, it does not need to be mandated. I have never been in risk of it and making it mandatory is inappropriate.
JFKjr Posted September 8 Posted September 8 On 9/7/2025 at 7:50 AM, pennstate10 said: Uhhhh….. you realize that the video you linked discusses evaluation of onetime of the Covid vaccines, right? A trial in which 30,000 people were enrolled. Half got the Covid vaccine, and the other half received a ……. Any guesses? A placebo. And Big Pharma scrubbed the negative results. Congrats, you're a guinea pig!
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