here's the henry deal the bills need to make

[McGill Bill]

The problem with trying to trade Henry for a draft pick is that Tennessee is "in transition," or in other words, they suck. Teams that suck need picks to "transition" and "rebuild," as the buzz words of today go. I'd expect them to try to keep or acquire as many picks as they can, rather than letting them go. Trading for picks would probably be easier with a team like Philadelphia.

[krazykat]

All I know is that it's a shame that we have to allow a player like Henry to walk for a next season's 4th or 5th. It doesn't do much to boost confidence in the current management.

[Tcali]

If McNair is healthy and is gonna play, they need no flashy YPG RB.

 

A money-in-the-bank 3rd and 1 specialist will do nicely. That is not TH.

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yeah true....other than fumbling--the 3rd and 1 is Henry's weakness.He needs to get 3 yards upfield before he becomes as strong and as tough to bring down as satan.

[Fla Bills Fan]

All I know is that it's a shame that we have to allow a player like Henry to walk for a next season's 4th or 5th.  It doesn't do much to boost confidence in the current management.

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He won't get traded for less than a third. If TD does not get value, he will keep Henry for back up, and take the draft pick we will get from the NFL for losing Henry next year.

[TigerJ]

I could go for that, I suppose, though you'll have to convince the Titans.

[ATBNG]

As has been said, many teams went on potential.  But now that they've seen their rookies, or now that previously healthy RB's on teams uninterested in a RB in the draft of FA have gotten injured, the price of a starting RB has gone up.  Again take a look at what Lamar Gordon cost the Dolphins.

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There's no evidence that any of this is true. For all you know, teams could have seen their rookie running backs and been impressed, thus making the trade value of veterans around the league go down.

 

Even if your premise were true, Henry is not one of those running back options that will go "up" in value because he's not an intelligent player and can't just step onto a roster and learn an offense quickly. That's the type of RB that has value in a training camp scenario.

 

The Lamar Gordon trade was ridiculous - can you find anyone that doesn't in retrospect think that was an atrocious deal for the Dolphins? Citing it as a historical precedent for future events is pretty silly.

[MadBuffaloDisease]

There's no evidence that any of this is true. For all you know, teams could have seen their rookie running backs and been impressed, thus making the trade value of veterans around the league go down.

Yes, I'm sure ALL the teams were impressed with their rookie RB's, and ALL teams' starting RB's are healthy.  After all, we DO have evidence of that.

Even if your premise were true, Henry is not one of those running back options that will go "up" in value because he's not an intelligent player and can't just step onto a roster and learn an offense quickly. That's the type of RB that has value in a training camp scenario.

Oh, really? You have evidence of this viewpoint, as told to you obviously by NFL GM's?

The Lamar Gordon trade was ridiculous - can you find anyone that doesn't in retrospect think that was an atrocious deal for the Dolphins? Citing it as a historical precedent for future events is pretty silly.

Let me put this simply for you. The Dols were desperate for a RB after RW left them high and dry. So they panicked and traded for a backup RB, and offered a 3rd rounder. As I said and despite your evidence to the contrary, some teams have seen their starting RB's go down with injury, so odds are the Bills will be able to unload Travis for at least a 3rd, since that's what a player of his caliber merits. Chris Brown will still be injury prone and Fred Taylor likely won't be able to start the season, so those situations won't improve. And there are sure to be other injuries, as there always are every year.

[ATBNG]

Even if your premise were true, Henry is not one of those running back options that will go "up" in value because he's not an intelligent player and can't just step onto a roster and learn an offense quickly. That's the type of RB that has value in a training camp scenario.

 

Oh, really? You have evidence of this viewpoint, as told to you obviously by NFL GM's?

 

 

MBD - you question the idea that less intelligent players have a harder time grasping the playbook? You think that we need NFL GMs to weigh in on this?

[MadBuffaloDisease]

MBD - you question the idea that less intelligent players have a harder time grasping the playbook?  You think that we need NFL GMs to weigh in on this? 

So you're saying that, since Travis allegedly can't grasp an NFL playbook quickly, his value has now DECREASED from the 4th rounder that was offered during the draft? Once again, I guess we'll see.

[ATBNG]

So you're saying that, since Travis allegedly can't grasp an NFL playbook quickly, his value has now DECREASED from the 4th rounder that was offered during the draft?  Once again, I guess we'll see.

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No - not exactly. I've consistently said all along he doesn't have that much value. Back in February, you and some others were talking 1st and 2nd round picks for the guy. I also don't think Lamar Gordon is an appropriate analogy because it was a dumb trade by Miami that any of the 32 teams would be loath to repeat. It's like using the Herschel Walker trade as an analogy. Why not use the Faulk trade? Marshall went for a 2, so clearly Travis goes for a 5 or 6....

 

The sound and fury you have in combating people on something you were clearly incorrect about all along is amusing.

 

BiNYC "gets it" on Travis. The best thing for the team would be to trade him, but at some point if it doesn't happen they should just let him go and focus on developing a young, cheap third down back who will compliment Willis to the fullest. Build a team and don't worry about Travis Henry - he's going to be the same flawed player elsewhere who gathers yards at the expense of extra sacks and turnovers for his team. Focus on doing what's right for McGahee - he is the key to the team's bright future. Keeping Henry also provides some risk to using Willis properly during the season.

[MadBuffaloDisease]

No - not exactly. I've consistently said all along he doesn't have that much value. Back in February, you and some others were talking 1st and 2nd round picks for the guy. I also don't think Lamar Gordon is an appropriate analogy because it was a dumb trade by Miami that any of the 32 teams would be loath to repeat. It's like using the Herschel Walker trade as an analogy. Why not use the Faulk trade? Marshall went for a 2, so clearly Travis goes for a 5 or 6....

So let me get this straight. The Lamar Gordon and Herschel Walker trades were bad, but the Marshall Faulk (who elevated his play to HOF status while with the Rams) trade for a 2nd and 5th rounder was a GOOD trade? How about the Ricky Williams trade, that cost the Dols 2-1st rounders for 2 seasons of play? What about Corey Dillon for the last pick of the 2nd round? Jerome Bettis for a 2nd rounder? Notice a trend here, dude? None of them were "good" trades for both parties. I'd dare you to find a trade that WAS equitable for both parties, instead of being better for one side based on the circumstances. And for the record, I haven't talked about Travis being worth a 1st rounder since last year, i.e. BEFORE I knew the RB market would be oversaturated and that guys like Alexander and James could be had for just 2nd rounders (and according to your logic, surely they're not worth more than 3rd rounders because they didn't get traded).

 

Getting back to Lamar Gordon, the REASON I chose his examle is because, unlike the other RB's mentioned above, he was traded AFTER the draft, when a team lost a starting RB and panicked into giving-up more than they wanted. Sure it was a bad trade for Miami, especially considering Gordon's CAREER rushing stats don't even match-up to Travis' ROOKIE season (just like Lamont Jordan's career stats don't measure up to Travis best SINGLE season, but look what HE got!). And as we've seen, several teams have seen their starting RB's go down already, and as is usually the case, more are sure to follow. And it's not like Gordon was some rocket scientist either.

The sound and fury you have in combating people on something you were clearly incorrect about all along is amusing.

You are "clearly incorrect" if you think Travis' worth is a 5th or 6th rounder. Name me the number of 5th or 6th rounders in NFL history that have rushed for almost 2800 yards and 24 TD's in back-to-back seasons, versus RB's picked in the 4th round or higher. That sound you hear is laughter.

BiNYC "gets it" on Travis. The best thing for the team would be to trade him, but at some point if it doesn't happen they should just let him go and focus on developing a young, cheap third down back who will compliment Willis to the fullest. Build a team and don't worry about Travis Henry - he's going to be the same flawed player elsewhere who gathers yards at the expense of extra sacks and turnovers for his team. Focus on doing what's right for McGahee - he is the key to the team's bright future. Keeping Henry also provides some risk to using Willis properly during the season.

Letting Travis go if they don't get anything for him would be the stupidest thing they COULD do. It's so inconceivably idiotic that I previously refrained from responding to it and will do no further than what I've already just said about it. Frankly it's more about being proven right than using any sort of common sense. I'm sure VA and BiNYC (you don't count since you're a Patsy fan and would love nothing more than to see the Bills cut Travis without getting anything in return) would derive some perverse sense of eogmanical satisfaction over Travis getting released, but I suspect that's more because they have a personal vendetta against him, most likely I'd wager because they have underage daughters and think he's a threat to them.

[Sound_n_Fury]

The sound and fury you have in combating people on something you were clearly incorrect about all along is amusing.

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Hey, make love not war, man!

[ATBNG]

Hey, make love not war, man!

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I'll use "hue and cry" next time.

 

(Great name!)

[ATBNG]

Letting Travis go if they don't get anything for him would be the stupidest thing they COULD do.  It's so inconceivably idiotic that I previously refrained from responding to it and will do no further than what I've already just said about it.  Frankly it's more about being proven right than using any sort of common sense.  I'm sure VA and BiNYC (you don't count since you're a Patsy fan and would love nothing more than to see the Bills cut Travis without getting anything in return) would derive some perverse sense of eogmanical satisfaction over Travis getting released, but I suspect that's more because they have a personal vendetta against him, most likely I'd wager because they have underage daughters and think he's a threat to them.

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Actually, that's not true. The Pats fan in me would like it much better if the Bills kept Henry on the roster, because I think he's a very poor fit for you guys at backup RB and he'll be a distraction to Willis and how Mularkey and co. should use/develop him. You're probably not going to use him to spell McGahee on third down with Travis's lack of blocking and receiving skills. If you play Henry on first and second down, you risk Willis not getting the reps/carries he needs to find his rhythm with a new QB at the helm with a vastly different style than the previous one, and you also risk the offense becoming a little bit predictable when TH is in there ("They're gonna run"). Meanwhile, I don't see Henry as the type of guy who will accept 7-12 carries per game and devote himself to executing his role.

 

For the Bills to threaten the Patriots, they have to build a better team than New England, and I think keeping Travis is antithetical to that mission.

 

The Pats fan in me also wished they had kept Drew for what it's worth. I don't dislike the Bills though - I respect them as a good small market team that has a loyal fan base. That's why I post here.

 

As for your psychology on the motivations of BiNYC and VA, I think it is a little insulting to their football acumen - especially coming from the anti-Nostradamus of the board . They're two of the better posters on here, and not because their views on Travis as a football player are in alignment with mine.

[MadBuffaloDisease]

As for your psychology on the motivations of BiNYC and VA, I think it is a little insulting to their football acumen - especially coming from the anti-Nostradamus of the board  . They're two of the better posters on here, and not because their views on Travis as a football player are in alignment with mine.

Hey, if I WERE Nostradamus, I wouldn't be sitting here writing to you. I'd be telling Tom Donahoe that I want Travis off my team ASAP, and for a high draft pick! I also suspect that if you were as much of a Nostradamus WRT the Pats as you think, you'd have made a pile of cash these past 4 years (okay, 3 of the last 4 years), and would have already laid down your bets for THIS year.

 

As for BiNYC and VA, they're good posters for the most part, but their obsession with Travis is unnatural and speaks to a personal dislike that was there well BEFORE he felt threatened by Wills and threatened to hold-out. I'm big into psychology and like to paraphrase Hannibal Lechter's "what does he do, this maaan you seek?" But personal dislike IS a better reason to think that a 1400 yard 12 TD back is worth a 5th or 6th round pick than any other reason I can think of, and no "he sucks" doesn't cut it.

[Bill from NYC]

Hey, if I WERE Nostradamus, I wouldn't be sitting here writing to you.  I'd be telling Tom Donahoe that I want Travis off my team ASAP, and for a high draft pick!  I also suspect that if you were as much of a Nostradamus WRT the Pats as you think, you'd have made a pile of cash these past 4 years (okay, 3 of the last 4 years), and would have already laid down your bets for THIS year.

 

As for BiNYC and VA, they're good posters for the most part, but their obsession with Travis is unnatural and speaks to a personal dislike that was there well BEFORE he felt threatened by Wills and threatened to hold-out.  I'm big into psychology and like to paraphrase Hannibal Lechter's "what does he do, this maaan you seek?"  But personal dislike IS a better reason to think that a 1400 yard 12 TD back is worth a 5th or 6th round pick than any other reason I can think of, and no "he sucks" doesn't cut it.

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Thanks for the kind words. I will give you a summary of my stance on the TH issue.

 

Yes, I do have daughters; 3 of them. They resemble their mother, and are drop dead gorgeous. No, I would NOT want this degenerate scumbag around them. This imo is not unusual. Would you want this miscreant around your loved ones? I thought not.

 

Now, let's talk football.......

Travis DID gain a ton of yards over a 2 year period. Why? Because defenders were speeding past him to sack Drew in that insane offense that was put forth by Gilbride. His numbers were good, but he was costing the Buffalo Bills Football Team wins even when he was at his best.

Do you remember Drew's first game? Travis was coughing up the football to the jests and cost us a win. He continued to be a screw-up in almost every conceivable way. He missed blocks, ran wrong pass routes, dropped passes, and last year, developed a penchant for sliding on his stupid ass, untouched, in crucial situations. Do you deny this? It was there to see, as plain as day.

Travis Henry sucks as a running back. He will probably be out of the league in a year or 2. It is no accident that each and every GM in the NFL would not give up a first day pick for TH. He is a dog, a flea bitten dog to boot.

I hope as much as you do that somehow, some GM will give us a good pick for this miscreant. I am as much of a Bills fan as you. The thing is, there was zero demand for this chronic loser in a WEAK DRAFT. Right?

We can delude ourselves into thinking that he has oh so much sudden value, but you will have to do it without me.

Travis Henry is a suckass football player and the Buffalo Bills will be extremely lucky to salvage anything for his sorry, stupid ass.

If you STILL dont believe this after the 05 draft, just continue to watch and see.

[Mark VI]

Travis Henry is a suckass football player and the Buffalo Bills will be extremely lucky to salvage anything for his sorry, stupid ass. 

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Would you stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think ?

 

Patience is a lost virtue in todays world. I don't care if he's still on our roster for another 2-3 months. Eventually, some team will have a shortage due to injury and he will be dealt for some pick or Vet player on the bubble.

[Ghost of BiB]

Would you stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think ? 

 

Patience is a lost virtue in todays world. I don't care if he's still on our roster for another 2-3 months. Eventually, some team will have a shortage due to injury and he will be dealt for some pick or Vet player on the bubble.

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How about we wait, and trade him for an extra bye week?

[Mark VI]

How about we wait, and trade him for an extra bye week?

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Let's earn an extra bye week for week 1 of the playoffs.

[VABills]

Not sure how I got brought up in this post, but don't talk about me when I am not around.

 

Now my input. True Travis had 2 good running seasons. However, not much alse can ever be said about his game.

 

As far as good running backs who were trade in the past, just as you have the Lamar Gordon, you also have the Bam Morris's who were traded for a 6th to KC after having several good season with Pittsburgh, and then went to Chi.

 

My point is there will always be guys who are traded for more then they are worth and guys who are traded for less depending on market and perceived value. We were only offered a 5th or 6th for Travis in a very weak draft. This seems to be his perceived value by several GM's. Whether TD is able to garner more. Whether he can even garner this in next years draft is also questionable. We will have to let it play out.

 

Now I have said with all his problems, I would have no problem with TH being the backup this year, however I doubt he will do it.