Tiberius Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: start-->free speech rights are more important then gun rights--> gun rights are needed to obtain/maintain free speach rights--> return to start. In Great Britain there is no fundamental right to own a gun. They are free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Back to the thread. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: In Great Britain there is no fundamental right to own a gun. They are free. so no uprising and bloodshed was necessary to obtain the british freedoms you speak of? the people are safe and sound knowing their "most important" freedoms are eternal? https://fee.org/articles/uk-man-arrested-for-malicious-communications-after-posting-meme-mocking-the-transgender-flag/ malicious communications charge? sounds like that freedom is on shakey ground suddenly. ill put it in words you can relate to. you look at things through a lens of once you get human rights they are there forever. nothing could ever happen that would force the people to have to take up arms to defend and preserve them. this sentiment is coming from the same side that is screaming a fascist dictator (trump ULTRA MAGA) is seeking power and will destroy democracy and human rights if given power. yet, that fascist dictator is also fighting for YOUR right to bare arms. YOU! the one who opposes him. so if what you say is true your going to certainly hope the lefts campaign to take gun rights fails and promise you will see just how important it is. on the flip of the coin the side who does not see the importance of gun rights just so happens to want to pack the court, end voter IDs, ect. ect. ect. basically you would be thrilled if the only opposition did not exist. complete unarmed trust that rights will be upheld forever under 1 party rule. like our gov has earned trust now. wait until they no longer need to gain your vote. sticks, rocks and speech are enough to stop a government. sure. that is not working out for the iranians for some reason. we have plenty of examples to look at. its quite a conundrum to try and explain. I'm fascinated to hear a actual one that isn't a deflection, circular, whatabout or other fallacy leftist cant seem to get away from. i guess it looks like its easier to avoid the altogether since ive asked for one multiple times now in a thread YOU started. Edited September 27, 2022 by Buffarukus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 22 hours ago, Buffarukus said: so no uprising and bloodshed was necessary to obtain the british freedoms you speak of? the people are safe and sound knowing their "most important" freedoms are eternal? https://fee.org/articles/uk-man-arrested-for-malicious-communications-after-posting-meme-mocking-the-transgender-flag/ malicious communications charge? sounds like that freedom is on shakey ground suddenly. ill put it in words you can relate to. you look at things through a lens of once you get human rights they are there forever. nothing could ever happen that would force the people to have to take up arms to defend and preserve them. this sentiment is coming from the same side that is screaming a fascist dictator (trump ULTRA MAGA) is seeking power and will destroy democracy and human rights if given power. yet, that fascist dictator is also fighting for YOUR right to bare arms. YOU! the one who opposes him. so if what you say is true your going to certainly hope the lefts campaign to take gun rights fails and promise you will see just how important it is. on the flip of the coin the side who does not see the importance of gun rights just so happens to want to pack the court, end voter IDs, ect. ect. ect. basically you would be thrilled if the only opposition did not exist. complete unarmed trust that rights will be upheld forever under 1 party rule. like our gov has earned trust now. wait until they no longer need to gain your vote. sticks, rocks and speech are enough to stop a government. sure. that is not working out for the iranians for some reason. we have plenty of examples to look at. its quite a conundrum to try and explain. I'm fascinated to hear a actual one that isn't a deflection, circular, whatabout or other fallacy leftist cant seem to get away from. i guess it looks like its easier to avoid the altogether since ive asked for one multiple times now in a thread YOU started. Cart before horse? I mean in a stable republic, why should people have assault rifles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Cart before horse? I mean in a stable republic, why should people have assault rifles? I’m in no way a big ‘gun guy’, but isn’t the real problem we have with daily gun violence and deaths actually with hand guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m in no way a big ‘gun guy’, but isn’t the real problem we have with daily gun violence and deaths actually with hand guns? Yes, criminal have easy access to hand guns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Yes, criminal have easy access to hand guns So what are we doing about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So what are we doing about that? Let's form a committee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Let's form a committee! You and me Tibs….a true beer summit! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: You and me Tibs….a true beer summit! 👍 It's at about this point @B-Man steps in and returns us to the topic 🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: It's at about this point @B-Man steps in and returns us to the topic 🙃 I’d have settled for the picture of the pizza fritte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: I’d have settled for the picture of the pizza fritte. Ya? Na? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Ya? Na? It’s lunch time here Tibs…you’re killing me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: Cart before horse? I mean in a stable republic, why should people have assault rifles? because stability is not guaranteed by man. paper will not stop evil or lust for power. we can see even the mightiest civilizations known to humans have fallen both from internal and external forces. people deserve a fighting chance when that happens. words have never been a match for brutal force. you have lived a comfortable life where those before you fought that battle gave there lives on your behalf and you are saying i am not willing to do it, if needed for the next generation. im too comfortable my leaders will always have good intentions i will strip myself and all those after me of their ability to defend themselves from evil. looking at iran, hong kong, ukrain, should be a constant reminder its not some impossibility you or your children will face someday. its right in front of you. so my question for you is. what has the gov done to earn that level of trust? if you think they are not capable then you simply haven't read our history/recent history. as i stated you believe a authoritarian gaining power is only 2 years away! who you think will save you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: what has the gov done to earn that level of trust? i Provide 200 plus years of security and prosperity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Provide 200 plus years of security and prosperity. hmm. 200 years of security? so your your great grandfather could tell you a story this wasn't the case and that is long enough to think you are guaranteed a eternity of it in the future? well i hope for your children and grand childrens sake that continues. if you are successful today in stripping the second amendment then other people in the world may be watching them in the same battle that iranian citizens are in with no defense against being slaughtered at will. im sure they will be thinking about how foolish it was for their own citizens to simply give that right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffarukus said: hmm. 200 years of security? so your your great grandfather could tell you a story this wasn't the case and that is long enough to think you are guaranteed a eternity of it in the future? well i hope for your children and grand childrens sake that continues. if you are successful today in stripping the second amendment then other people in the world may be watching them in the same battle that iranian citizens are in with no defense against being slaughtered at will. im sure they will be thinking about how foolish it was for their own citizens to simply give that right away. Seems to be working now. We are not Iran where the religious nuts are in charge and the people suffer. Our wall between church and state has served us well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Seems to be working now. We are not Iran where the religious nuts are in charge and the people suffer. Our wall between church and state has served us well "working now" is great for you. not so good for those that come after you. church is just one tiny part of tyranny. our gov literally JUST mandated locking down its citizens based on lies and you feel secure their are no threats to control the populous? i gave you a story about people in the UK that are being arrested for speech in THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE for being free and no big deal. everything is great and will always be great. you need to scratch the surface of what's happening around you if you think "it can never happen here". you literally just started a thread about "christian nationalism"!!! so not even sure you believe that. if you want to live with blind optimism. by all means stay away from exercising your second amendment but don't force law abiding citizens to see your worldview and advocate stripping their and future generations rights. they have the personal choice to use it or not and you want to take it. that's pretty authoritarian in itself don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: "working now" is great for you. not so good for those that come after you. church is just one tiny part of tyranny. our gov literally JUST mandated locking down its citizens based on lies and you feel secure their are no threats to control the populous? i gave you a story about people in the UK that are being arrested for speech in THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE for being free and no big deal. everything is great and will always be great. you need to scratch the surface of what's happening around you if you think "it can never happen here". you literally just started a thread about "christian nationalism"!!! so not even sure you believe that. if you want to live with blind optimism. by all means stay away from exercising your second amendment but don't force law abiding citizens to see your worldview and advocate stripping their and future generations rights. they have the personal choice to use it or not and you want to take it. that's pretty authoritarian in itself don't you think? Just keep educating people and keep economy strong and things will go well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 Iran hates our media. Their "president" cancelled an interview with Christiane Amanpour because she refused to wear head dress. Those that hate our media are largely driven by hatred of the truth https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/28/us-iran-policy-next-wave-protests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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