Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 FYI, historically, 85% of the BRAC recommendations have been approved as is by the commission and subsequently implemented. Now, the statistical sample is small, but the process was set up to avoid long and expensive bargaining sessions by the legislators. We'll know by 1 Oct how well this BRAC did. 337096[/snapback] Hopefully good enough. The military, like other facets of the Federal behemoth, is over-funded and under-efficient. You gotta give Rumsfeld props, he's taken on the military establishment and kicked them square in the entitlement-mentality nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Out here in the East SF Bay area, a city is actually glad that a base will be closed. The Concord Naval weapons station had been basically mothballed for 10 years. The suggestion to close most of it will allow the city of Concord to add 13,000 housing units on the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Instead we have thousands of people COMING to hamton roads. So much for traffic... 336921[/snapback] i knew HR was gonna at least break even, but was surprised how far ahead we came but then again, think who is the chairman of the senate defense committee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Hopefully good enough. The military, like other facets of the Federal behemoth, is over-funded and under-efficient. You gotta give Rumsfeld props, he's taken on the military establishment and kicked them square in the entitlement-mentality nuts. 337237[/snapback] Too many contractors in the military, everything is farmed out. What happened to the good ole days when a unit did everything? They are marching down the Corps (USACE) door, gonna morph it like other parts of the military. Where I work we do everything. Here, I see the days of specialized contractors doing everything. You know what? It is gonna cost 'em more! And if pride isn't written into the contract? It isn't going to exist. /End Rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Too many contractors in the military, everything is farmed out. What happened to the good ole days when a unit did everything? /End Rant 337916[/snapback] I'd like my Military to concentrate on killing the enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Too many contractors in the military, everything is farmed out. What happened to the good ole days when a unit did everything? They are marching down the Corps (USACE) door, gonna morph it like other parts of the military. Where I work we do everything. Here, I see the days of specialized contractors doing everything. You know what? It is gonna cost 'em more! And if pride isn't written into the contract? It isn't going to exist. /End Rant 337916[/snapback] Uh, wrong. Too many folks in the military who never pick up a weapon and are woefully unprepared to do so when it becomes necessary. The majority of things on an average US base SHOULD be done by civilians because they don't move and can actually handle projects from "requirement to retirement." The problem isn't farming it out - the problem is the makeup of the folks still wearing the uniform. Too many chiefs, not enough indians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Uh, wrong. Too many folks in the military who never pick up a weapon and are woefully unprepared to do so when it becomes necessary. The majority of things on an average US base SHOULD be done by civilians because they don't move and can actually handle projects from "requirement to retirement." The problem isn't farming it out - the problem is the makeup of the folks still wearing the uniform. Too many chiefs, not enough indians. 337924[/snapback] Thanks AD, thats what I meant. I was screaming at the monitor, my bad............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Too many chiefs, not enough indians. 337924[/snapback] Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 I'd like my Military to concentrate on killing the enemy. 337919[/snapback] Then expect to pay the price. In the meantime? I don't buy the reasoning. Knowing EVERY aspect keeps you sharp. People are just flat out lazy and can't keep up the pace. I believe in the opposite... You want to stay sharp, you occupy yourself with task during the "down time." IMO. Just do it. It needs to be done, you do it. Cross-train everyone to be self-sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Uh, wrong. Too many folks in the military who never pick up a weapon and are woefully unprepared to do so when it becomes necessary. The majority of things on an average US base SHOULD be done by civilians because they don't move and can actually handle projects from "requirement to retirement." The problem isn't farming it out - the problem is the makeup of the folks still wearing the uniform. Too many chiefs, not enough indians. 337924[/snapback] Can you say Jessica Lynch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Can you say Jessica Lynch? 337948[/snapback] Ya... Like her problem was that she pulled too much KP... Maybe if she was conditioned to keep busy? Laziness breeds laziness... It carries over into other things... Like cleaning your weapon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Then expect to pay the price. 337936[/snapback] War is not pretty. Would you pull the trigger? If someone killed your baby girl, would you pull the trigger?, or have them sentenced to death? Or killed your son?, your wife?, your Mom? Answer all of these questions, please.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 War is not pretty. Would you pull the trigger? If someone killed your baby girl, would you pull the trigger?, or have them sentenced to death? Or killed your son?, your wife?, your Mom? Answer all of these questions, please.......... 337975[/snapback] I will... You won't like it. No doubt, I would like to do the honors. But, back to the point. Do work outside of soldiering, IMO, does not make you less efficient. I do see the need for civilian support structure but, not at today's level. I will beat you to it... Haliburton evil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Ya... Like her problem was that she pulled too much KP... Maybe if she was conditioned to keep busy? Laziness breeds laziness... It carries over into other things... Like cleaning your weapon... 337962[/snapback] Actually I blame her NCO's and officer's up the chain. Read the action reports on that little skirmish sometime. Very interesting. I think it was 13 soldiers, 9 rifles jammed on the first clip. Yeah, that's really being prepared to go to battle, !@#$ing clean your damn weapon, especially with all the sand. Common sense 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 I will... You won't like it. No doubt, I would like to do the honors. But, back to the point. Do work outside of soldiering, IMO, does not make you less efficient. I do see the need for civilian support structure but, not at today's level. I will beat you to it... Haliburton evil! 337984[/snapback] No you didnt answer them; Simple. If someone killed your son, would you kill them or want them killed ? _______ If someone killed your wife, would you kill them or want them killed?_________ If someone killed your daughter, would you kill them or want them killed?________ These are Yes or No answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Uh, wrong. Too many folks in the military who never pick up a weapon and are woefully unprepared to do so when it becomes necessary. The majority of things on an average US base SHOULD be done by civilians because they don't move and can actually handle projects from "requirement to retirement." The problem isn't farming it out - the problem is the makeup of the folks still wearing the uniform. Too many chiefs, not enough indians. 337924[/snapback] You REALLY don't want me picking up a weapon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 You REALLY don't want me picking up a weapon... 338023[/snapback] An officer with a weapon is not a good thing............. shouldnt you just have keys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 An officer with a weapon is not a good thing............. shouldnt you just have keys? 338031[/snapback] He's AF. They use a pen to sign a contract to have someone else do it. When it comes to killing they just fly the Army there and have them do it. Like the Navy, they act as water borne taxi service to the jarheads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 He's AF. They use a pen to sign a contract to have someone else do it. When it comes to killing they just fly the Army there and have them do it. Like the Navy, they act as water borne taxi service to the jarheads. 338045[/snapback] We have very nice pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 We have very nice pens. 338054[/snapback] And spitoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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