The Guy In Pants Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: This anti media conspiracy crusade is ridiculous. There is nothing "left" about "the media". In a capitalist structure, the media is a for profit enterprise. The CEO of the largest media companies in the world could give two ***** about right vs left politics. They care about what sells. What sells more than any other thing? Sensationalism and rivalry. Anyone who lived through 9/11 saw all of the bull#### pro USA military propaganda on every single news network for years. "Operation Terror Takedown", Threat level watches, etc. The media may by and large present stories to the political left of Trump's right wing, and even GW's right wing, but that hardly makes them the leftist crusaders that they're being painted as. There's two big reasons for this: money & education. Pursuing a career where you need consumers to buy your product, you lose a lot of addressable market when you have exclusionary stances that are required of conservatives. In order to have a strong market while promoting exclusionary stances, it's usually required that you market exclusively to that base. When people refer to "liberal media" the first thing that comes to my mind is inclusive. It's less about left vs right than it is about right vs the rest. The second point is education. It shouldn't be a divisive or controversial topic by now that the more education you have the more likely you are to gravitate away from conservatism. Conservatives often say that this is part of a conspiracy on behalf of professors to turn everyone into marxists. The simpler reason, and the one everyone I've ever met has experienced, is that when you leave a small town that no one ever leaves, and you have Vietnamese food for the first time, you tend to see the world in a different light. Things that used to seem foreign and scary start to become part of your everyday life and you begin to cherish them. You meet people that speak more languages than you, eat different foods, pray differently or not at all, come from drastically different family structures and you start to appreciate how your upbringing was probably not representative of the world at large. People that become journalists and writers tend to have these experiences. It doesn't mean everyone walks away less conservative, but it makes it more likely. One thing and it’s not necessarily a disagreement. 1949. I just want you to read a simple section from Encyclopedia Britannica that will shed light on these two areas you’ve touched on. In 2020; where technology is so advanced how are the concepts of mass reprogramming far fetched yet they were easily conducted in 1949? Someone here; and not necessarily you, is going to roll their eyes at that last word in that link and place a laughing emoji on this post; I’m not asking anyone to focus on that word. Don’t get hung up. Go beyond it. I’m simply pointing out the methods used to manipulate. 1949......2020. https://www.britannica.com/topic/education/Education-under-communism Edited October 7, 2020 by The Guy In Pants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, The Guy In Pants said: One thing and it’s not necessarily a disagreement. 1949. I just want you to read a simple section from Encyclopedia Britannica that will shed light on these two areas you’ve touched on. In 2020; where technology is so advanced how are the concepts of mass reprogramming far fetched yet they were easily conducted in 1949? Someone here; and not necessarily you, is going to roll their eyes at that last word in that link and place a laughing emoji on this post; I’m not asking anyone to focus on that word. Don’t get hung up. Go beyond it. I’m simply pointing out the methods used to manipulate. 1949......2020. https://www.britannica.com/topic/education/Education-under-communism I'm not sure where you meant for me to stop but I read a few sections. I'm not sure what exactly you wanted me to take away from that though. I'm honestly not even sure what the word is that you referenced. What are you getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guy In Pants Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I'm not sure where you meant for me to stop but I read a few sections. I'm not sure what exactly you wanted me to take away from that though. I'm honestly not even sure what the word is that you referenced. What are you getting at? Although I agree with what you typed about the financial goals of media; I read into your post as one that doesn’t think that media is used to mold public opinion. I was pointing to what took place earlier in our civilization as a reminder that it has been and still is a real thing. Apologies if that’s not what I should have taken from your original post. The word I was referencing was “communism”. Many people read that and think the person using it is not aware of what it means and is simply a “right wing extremist” afraid of change. Again, not implying that you would have felt that way. I’ve read enough of some here to know how they’d most likely react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, The Guy In Pants said: Although I agree with what you typed about the financial goals of media; I read into your post as one that doesn’t think that media is used to mold public opinion. I was pointing to what took place earlier in our civilization as a reminder that it has been and still is a real thing. Apologies if that’s not what I should have taken from your original post. The word I was referencing was “communism”. Many people read that and think the person using it is not aware of what it means and is simply a “right wing extremist” afraid of change. Again, not implying that you would have felt that way. I’ve read enough of some here to know how they’d most likely react. Ok, but state run media is a drastically different thing than for profit media. To suggest that the media, which conservatives usually describe as "the left wing media", is trying to indoctrinate the masses for political reasons doesn't pass any muster of analysis. In America, the media's only objective is to get bigger and richer those goals are directly aided by the preservation of class and capitalism. Even obvious Democrats (notice I didn't say leftists) like Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow don't want anyone to be a communist. It doesn't serve their goals. Propaganda, more generally, however absolutely does serve goals, and news is loaded with it. However, it's pretty easy for those with a little media literacy to separate the wheat from the chaff. The problem is when people go all in on their echo chambers, and that's a problem that's absolutely bi-partisan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guy In Pants Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Ok, but state run media is a drastically different thing than for profit media. To suggest that the media, which conservatives usually describe as "the left wing media", is trying to indoctrinate the masses for political reasons doesn't pass any muster of analysis. In America, the media's only objective is to get bigger and richer those goals are directly aided by the preservation of class and capitalism. Even obvious Democrats (notice I didn't say leftists) like Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow don't want anyone to be a communist. It doesn't serve their goals. Propaganda, more generally, however absolutely does serve goals, and news is loaded with it. However, it's pretty easy for those with a little media literacy to separate the wheat from the chaff. The problem is when people go all in on their echo chambers, and that's a problem that's absolutely bi-partisan. Fair points. Especially the last part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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