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On 8/2/2019 at 1:28 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

I should have known better than to think on a topic as bi-partisan as pedophilia and sex trafficking of minors partisan asshattery wouldn't rear its head.

 

 

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On 8/2/2019 at 3:54 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

would rather cover for a convicted pedo / accused trafficker of children than have a conversation

 

Hey @B-Man - care to respond or are you still waiting for your talking points from dear leader?

 

 

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On 8/2/2019 at 1:28 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

That's on me. I should have known better than to think on a topic as bi-partisan as pedophilia and sex trafficking of minors partisan asshattery wouldn't rear its head.

 

 

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On 8/2/2019 at 1:28 PM, Deranged Rhino said:

I should have known better than to think on a topic as bi-partisan as pedophilia and sex trafficking of minors partisan asshattery wouldn't rear its head.

 

 

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I find this to be an odd message.  How exactly are the democrats aligning with Epstein because of their "mutual hatred of Trump?"  Epstein was a bad guy.  I don't think that pointing out that Epstein had information about Trump because he knew Trump (arguably pretty well) and had a longstanding relationship with Trump that allowed him to glean insights into Trump, is aligning with Epstein?  It implies that one bad guy may have been close to another bad guy and that they both contributed to bad stuff happening.  There is, minimally, guilt by association here which is, minimally, not a good look for Trump.  I'm not saying Trump is guilty of committing crimes here, I have no idea, but the fact that he had the relationship that he had with Epstein is worthy of more information and a closer investigation.  And, while I tend to find the democrats amusingly inept at politics, they are doing the most obvious thing that they ought to do here, which is to highlight Trump's association with Epstein, including this really bad guy's (Epstein) opinion of Trump.  

 

It is my hope, and I would like to believe the hope of any reasonable, concerned, law abiding, citizen, that whomever was empowered by Epstein to engage in illegal activities and, particularly, pedophilia, should be outed with the Epstein files as well as any other sources of evidence and that such activity causes them to have to face consequences.  I also think that this ought to apply to everyone, democrat, republican, British royals, etc.  The fact that this topic can brush up so closely to Trump should probably concern all of us as he is the president and may have engaged in underage sexual activity with girls that were procured by Epstein.  Sorry, but, this is just bad.

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9 minutes ago, Che Guevara said:

I find this to be an odd message.  How exactly are the democrats aligning with Epstein because of their "mutual hatred of Trump?"  Epstein was a bad guy.  I don't think that pointing out that Epstein had information about Trump because he knew Trump (arguably pretty well) and had a longstanding relationship with Trump that allowed him to glean insights into Trump, is aligning with Epstein?  It implies that one bad guy may have been close to another bad guy and that they both contributed to bad stuff happening.  There is, minimally, guilt by association here which is, minimally, not a good look for Trump.  I'm not saying Trump is guilty of committing crimes here, I have no idea, but the fact that he had the relationship that he had with Epstein is worthy of more information and a closer investigation.  And, while I tend to find the democrats amusingly inept at politics, they are doing the most obvious thing that they ought to do here, which is to highlight Trump's association with Epstein, including this really bad guy's (Epstein) opinion of Trump.  

 

It is my hope, and I would like to believe the hope of any reasonable, concerned, law abiding, citizen, that whomever was empowered by Epstein to engage in illegal activities and, particularly, pedophilia, should be outed with the Epstein files as well as any other sources of evidence and that such activity causes them to have to face consequences.  I also think that this ought to apply to everyone, democrat, republican, British royals, etc.  The fact that this topic can brush up so closely to Trump should probably concern all of us as he is the president and may have engaged in underage sexual activity with girls that were procured by Epstein.  Sorry, but, this is just bad.

And Trump moving Maxwell, Epstein's friend and accomplice to Club Fed, looks, at the very least, extremely troubling 

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3 hours ago, Che Guevara said:

I find this to be an odd message.  How exactly are the democrats aligning with Epstein because of their "mutual hatred of Trump?"  Epstein was a bad guy.  I don't think that pointing out that Epstein had information about Trump because he knew Trump (arguably pretty well) and had a longstanding relationship with Trump that allowed him to glean insights into Trump, is aligning with Epstein?  It implies that one bad guy may have been close to another bad guy and that they both contributed to bad stuff happening.  There is, minimally, guilt by association here which is, minimally, not a good look for Trump.  I'm not saying Trump is guilty of committing crimes here, I have no idea, but the fact that he had the relationship that he had with Epstein is worthy of more information and a closer investigation.  And, while I tend to find the democrats amusingly inept at politics, they are doing the most obvious thing that they ought to do here, which is to highlight Trump's association with Epstein, including this really bad guy's (Epstein) opinion of Trump.  

 

It is my hope, and I would like to believe the hope of any reasonable, concerned, law abiding, citizen, that whomever was empowered by Epstein to engage in illegal activities and, particularly, pedophilia, should be outed with the Epstein files as well as any other sources of evidence and that such activity causes them to have to face consequences.  I also think that this ought to apply to everyone, democrat, republican, British royals, etc.  The fact that this topic can brush up so closely to Trump should probably concern all of us as he is the president and may have engaged in underage sexual activity with girls that were procured by Epstein.  Sorry, but, this is just bad.

Agreed.

It is certainly not surprising that bad people would hang together. Or even that one bad person would think another bad person is worse.

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3 hours ago, Che Guevara said:

I find this to be an odd message.  How exactly are the democrats aligning with Epstein because of their "mutual hatred of Trump?"  Epstein was a bad guy.  I don't think that pointing out that Epstein had information about Trump because he knew Trump (arguably pretty well) and had a longstanding relationship with Trump that allowed him to glean insights into Trump, is aligning with Epstein?  It implies that one bad guy may have been close to another bad guy and that they both contributed to bad stuff happening.  There is, minimally, guilt by association here which is, minimally, not a good look for Trump.  I'm not saying Trump is guilty of committing crimes here, I have no idea, but the fact that he had the relationship that he had with Epstein is worthy of more information and a closer investigation.  And, while I tend to find the democrats amusingly inept at politics, they are doing the most obvious thing that they ought to do here, which is to highlight Trump's association with Epstein, including this really bad guy's (Epstein) opinion of Trump.  

 

It is my hope, and I would like to believe the hope of any reasonable, concerned, law abiding, citizen, that whomever was empowered by Epstein to engage in illegal activities and, particularly, pedophilia, should be outed with the Epstein files as well as any other sources of evidence and that such activity causes them to have to face consequences.  I also think that this ought to apply to everyone, democrat, republican, British royals, etc.  The fact that this topic can brush up so closely to Trump should probably concern all of us as he is the president and may have engaged in underage sexual activity with girls that were procured by Epstein.  Sorry, but, this is just bad.

 

Now do all the high profile Dems credibly associated to Epstein.

 

Do you knee jerk assume Clinton as another bad guy associated with Epstein or nah?

 

We have known for years that Trump was once associated with this guy and that his name appears in the Epstein "files"

 

With all the chicanery and lawfare engaged in by leftists over the past decade to get Trump at all costs the Epstein "files" would certainly be the most direct route to take out the orange menace once and for all.

 

Yet they didn't.

 

Weird.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Do you knee jerk assume Clinton as another bad guy associated with Epstein or nah?

Yes.

And last I checked, he is not the President. He is a private citizen, and if he were to somehow run again for public office I would expect a full interview in which he confronted with documents and photos involving Epstein.

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So here's where I stand because it's where the evidence takes me.

 

-Trump has playfully commented a couple of times on Epstein. The first was the famous "Jeffrey loves women, a lot of them on the younger side." Then we saw the weird birthday book submission referring to every day being a new special secret. There was no indication of any disdain regarding Epstein's behavior; it was more like this is our own little thing.

 

- the recently released 2011 Jeffrey-Ghislaine email - created long before the Presidential run - talks about Trump as a frequent visitor.

 

- Trump himself has made weird creepy comments about his own teenage daughter. He has deliberately put himself in situations where he is around underage models (Miss Teen America, etc) and has been known to cop a look at them as they are partly clothed

 

- We just saw new details of Matt Gaetz's 17 year old "escort." The basic facts surrounding this sordid tale have been well known in Congress for quite some time. Yet Trump nominated him to be Attorney General. Conclusion: Trump doesn't think that this was a big deal. Lots of guys do that. Himself?

 

- He has said that when you're famous, you can do whatever you want.

 

- He has had at least one (and where there's one there's usually more) with an "adult film actress" - someone who had sex for money, commonly known as a prostitute. He is not exactly the classic happily married man; he is a serial creeper

 

- Virginia Giuffre killed herself, but before that had said nothing untoward happened between herself and Trump

 

- Trump also has the known practice of paying off people who could release embarrassing information about him

 

Conclusion: I think it is very, very likely that Trump had sex with women procured by Epstein/Maxwell. I think it is quite likely that he had some kind of inappropriate engagements (think "sensual massage" as Austin Powers put it) with at least one underage girl, and that there is a reasonable probability that this involved sexual activity of one sort or another.

 

Am I saying there's proof that would stand up in a court of law or impeachment proceedings of these things? No.

But I am saying that anyone who strongly disagrees with my conclusions is just being blinded by politics. The pattern is just too clear, both with Epstein and with Trump. If we were talking about Mike Johnson or Chuck Schumer hanging out with Epstein and his girls, my conclusion would be different. Clinton? Trump? Yep. Probably. With a high degree of certainty.

 

 

Edited by The Frankish Reich
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