Pac_Man Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 Looking at our team under TD, only one second day pick/UDFA has earned a starting position: Terrence McGee. Compare that to the second day picks/UDFAs that TD found when he was with Pittsburgh: - Rod Woodson - Dermontti Dawson - Greg Lloyd - Barry Foster - Bam Morris - Others that I don't know about Rod Woodson (CB) and Dermontti Dawson (C ) are Hall of Fame players, and Greg Lloyd (LB) isn't too far from being Hall of Fame material himself. Barry Foster and Bam Morris were solid starting RBs in the Jerome Bettis mold. I've got nothing against Terrence McGee, but his value is a lot less than the players on the above list. Why isn't TD doing a better job with his second day picks and undrafted free agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 umm, are we sure there are a lot of future HOFers drafted on the 2nd day lately? Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 TD has drafted 21 players in Day 2 since April 2001. 11 of them are no longer with the team (LB Brandon Spoon, T Marques Sullivan, SS Tony Driver, TE Dan O'Leary, CB Jimmy Williams, WR Reggie Germany, DT Tyrone Robertson, G Mike Pucillo, WR Rodney Wright, FB Jarrett Ferguson, and LB Dom Stevenson). 10 are still with the team. Of those 10, 1 is a starter (CB Terrence McGee), 6 have made contributions of some significance (DT/G Justin Bannan, CB Kevin Thomas, TE Tim Euhus, WR Freddie Smith, WR Sam Aiken, and MLB Mario Haggan), and 3 have done stevestojan so far (T Dylan McFarland, G Ben Sobieski, and DT Lauvale Sape). Make what you will of these facts. In general, I would say TD is doing an average/competent job at drafting in Day 2 - clearly not in the class of the Patriots, but not exactly Code Red disaster either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmacla Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 Rod Woodspn is the only HOF Player on that list and he was a 1st round draft pick Bam Morris is in jail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 Well, not many 2nd day picks become starters in the 1st 3 years. They are normally late developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Rod Woodson 1st round Dermontti Dawson-2nd round Greg Lloyd-6th round Barry Foster-5th in a 12 round draft Bam Morris-3rd round Your statement about 2nd day players is an astonishing 60% wrong. Next time look things up before making unfounded statements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Dillon: Aquired in a trade. Pass: Drafted in the 7th round in 2000 (BEFORE Donahoe was our GM). Brady: Drafted in the 6th Round in 2000 (BEFORE Donahoe was our GM) Deion Branch: Drafted Round 2 Gorin: Signed as free agent Neal: Signed as free agent Koppen: Drafted 5th round, 2003 Andruzzi: Signed as Free Agent, 2000 Light: Drafted Round 2 Graham: Drafted Round 1 Patten: Signed as free agent, 2000 One starter on offense drafted after the 2nd round since Tom Donahoe has been GM of the BILLS. DEFENSE Warren: Drafted first round, 2003 Traylor: Signed as free agent Seymour: Drafted first round, 2001 McGinest: Drafted first round, 1994 Johnson: Drafted second round, 1995 Bruschi: Drafted 3rd round, 1996 (BEFORE Donahoe was our GM) Vrabel: Signed as free agent (2001) Law: Drafted first round, 1995 Wilson: Drafted second round, 2003 Harrison: Signed as free agent Samuel: Drafted fourth round, 2003 That makes ONE starter drafted on defense since Tom Donahoe has been our General Manager. That's only one more than currently starting for the BILLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Dillon: Aquired in a trade. Pass: Drafted in the 7th round in 2000 (BEFORE Donahoe was our GM). Brady: Drafted in the 6th Round in 2000 (BEFORE Donahoe was our GM) Deion Branch: Drafted Round 2 Gorin: Signed as free agent Neal: Signed as free agent Koppen: Drafted 5th round, 2003 Andruzzi: Signed as Free Agent, 2000 Light: Drafted Round 2 Graham: Drafted Round 1 Patten: Signed as free agent, 2000 One starter on offense drafted after the 2nd round since Tom Donahoe has been GM of the BILLS. DEFENSE Warren: Drafted first round, 2003 Traylor: Signed as free agent Seymour: Drafted first round, 2001 McGinest: Drafted first round, 1994 Johnson: Drafted second round, 1995 Bruschi: Drafted 3rd round, 1996 (BEFORE Donahoe was our GM) Vrabel: Signed as free agent (2001) Law: Drafted first round, 1995 Wilson: Drafted second round, 2003 Harrison: Signed as free agent Samuel: Drafted fourth round, 2003 That makes ONE starter drafted on defense since Tom Donahoe has been our General Manager. That's only one more than currently starting for the BILLS. 294420[/snapback] Nice to see that all the research you did the other week came back to be useful a second time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Donahoe picks (round 3 or later) who are either starters of projected starters: Willie Williams Joey Porter Aaron Smith Jerame Tuman Hines Ward Deshae Townsend Mike Vrabel Carlos Emmons Clark Haggans Willie Williams Jonas Jennings Terrence McGee Ron Edwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac_Man Posted April 3, 2005 Author Share Posted April 3, 2005 Rod Woodson 1st round Dermontti Dawson-2nd round Greg Lloyd-6th round Barry Foster-5th in a 12 round draft Bam Morris-3rd round Your statement about 2nd day players is an astonishing 60% wrong. Next time look things up before making unfounded statements 294366[/snapback] My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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