wwovince Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Your right Joey. I appolgize. I guess his post got me a little hot headed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Chief Navy Pride Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 And again, Bledsoe was sacked less per game than Brady was, once we put WM in the game. I can also guarantee that Losman will lose "big games" because the definition of that around here is "Superbowl." Unrealistic, but that's the definition I've been given. CW 287771[/snapback] CW either get off the guys nuts or dress your kids in little star outfits. He is gone and that is that..GEEZ let it go man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 CW either get off the guys nuts or dress your kids in little star outfits. He is gone and that is that..GEEZ let it go man. 287850[/snapback] Why you getting on his case. The question was who would have a higher rating and he was giving his opinion and why. Personally I think the rating will be equal assuming we get a decent LT and LG, otherwise Drew will have a much higher rating. However, I suspect that Drew will be much more successful this year regardless of the line we put in front og JP. It is an opinion that was asked for, he gave his, and now I gave mine. Just because I think someone will be better doesn't mean I am rooting for that player or that team, I objectively looked at each situation and assessed it based on current rosters and my football knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Your right Joey. I appolgize. I guess his post got me a little hot headed lol 287837[/snapback] LOL, gotcha, just busting your chops! Happy Easter dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwovince Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 You too dude. Give me a call later tonight or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Wow, so now we're discussing ratings and not playoff scenarios? Is this to soften the blow should we fail to win 9 games again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in SC Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I wouldn't be show sure about this. Parcells really developed the model for having team success with Bledsoe in the season he had Bledsoe QB them to an SB berth. A key to this was his coaching Bledsoe away from the pat, sack, fumble model y harping on Bledsoe to "just pass the damn ball" in pracice after practice when he would hang onto it looking to thread it in to a receiver using his cannon arm. The success of this being the way for a team to get the most out of Bledsoe was underscored by Bledsoe ironically turning into the perfect #2 QB when Lewis unceremoniously benched him with a collapsed lung. Bledsoe turned out to be the perfect guy for the Frank Reich role as Brady has given him ample credit for helping him learn the Pro game in his first season playing by standing on the sideline and giving Brady vet advice of what Bledsoe could see but the youngater Brady had never seen before whenever he came to the sideline (Bledsoe does not appear to be capable of doing the walking and chewing gum at the same time of making the right pass while waiting to get hit, but there appears to be nothing wrong with his ability to dissect the game from the sideline. Further, to the key point of this thread, when Bledsoe was forced into the championship game by an injury to Brady, he not only threw the winning pass as a sub, but fortunately for the Pats, he struggled a bit with an offense made more conservative for Brady and created no QB controversy by winning the game with no style points whatsoever. If this was not enough of a lesson that the way to get the most productivity out of Bledsoe is to use him as a change-up rather than rely on his extraordinary arm, Killdrive as has been pointed out had great success iniitially being pass-happy with Bledsoe, but as the season went on and opposing teams got more tape on Bledsoe, they figured out with Belichectk providing a textbook in his games against the Bills how to neurtalize him using his bad tendenices Killdrive stuck with. Lo and behold, the Bills in 04 got off to a lurching start with Bledsoe at the helm last year. but MM and Clements used an alarm clock set for 4 seconds after the snap to remind Bledsoe to throw the damn ball and even did a mcu better job neutralizing the blitz as a guranteed tool against Bledsoe using the outside running threat of WM, employing the Bledsoe years to successfully pull off a number of flea flickers and shockingly even using Bledsoe to run the QB draw which I don't remember Killdrive doing at all. Will Bledsoe have a better year with the Cowboys than the Bills? Hard to say as so much depends on how the team plays around your whether a QB will have a good year (W/L is really the only important measure). However, I would not be surprised to se Bledsoe have a very good year in terms of QB rating (not the same thing at all as W/L as folks really overemphasize the import of the QB to winning the game). All through his career we have seen lesson after lesson in how to actually get your team far with Bledsoe as a player and how to not do well at all with Bledsoe as your QB. The key to production for the team with him as QB is to use his arm as a threat and not to depend on him combining his arm and head to carry your team. Bledsoe is simply not good enough to do this. The interesting thing is that as Bledsoe gets older if he ever gets it through his athletic pride that the way for him to do more (winning) is for him to do less (passing) I think he will do well. Both Bledsoe and his coaches unfortunately as I think Clements relied on him a bit too much against Pitts last year seem to have to learn this lesson again and again. 287816[/snapback] Great analysis and, this time, no hidden agenda. Thanks! We need more posts like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Bledsoe has never really had a high quarterback rating. Even when he throws for 4000 yards. With that said, my money has to be on JP. I think that JP will start out running out of the gate (hopefully not literally running too much). Every team is going to be afraid of McGahee, because he will want 2000 yards this year. Look for JP to look amazing, inconsistent, but better than Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCDAWG Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I hope Losman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in SC Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Isn't the real issue (the one that matters) between Losman and Brady? Can we wish Drew best of luck and let him be gone? We have a division to win here, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcrusho Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Losman better have a better QB rating in Madden lol... Bleds-who? He is younger, faster, more mobile, he probably is more accurate to, well let's hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I can guarantee one thing: Whichever of those two has the higher QB rating, it will mean pretty close to nothing about which of those two played better or was more important to his team. 287753[/snapback] You've got it. Intangibles can be more important than stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 You've got it. Intangibles can be more important than stats. 288196[/snapback] Before I retired, I used to say that to my employers. They didn't buy it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Before I retired, I used to say that to my employers. They didn't buy it... 288201[/snapback] Neither do the stat-hounds in here who spend more time with a calculator than actually watching the games. "40,000 yards, blah blah blah...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patswhiponthebills Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I wouldn't be show sure about this. Parcells really developed the model for having team success with Bledsoe in the season he had Bledsoe QB them to an SB berth. A key to this was his coaching Bledsoe away from the pat, sack, fumble model y harping on Bledsoe to "just pass the damn ball" in pracice after practice when he would hang onto it looking to thread it in to a receiver using his cannon arm. The success of this being the way for a team to get the most out of Bledsoe was underscored by Bledsoe ironically turning into the perfect #2 QB when Lewis unceremoniously benched him with a collapsed lung. Bledsoe turned out to be the perfect guy for the Frank Reich role as Brady has given him ample credit for helping him learn the Pro game in his first season playing by standing on the sideline and giving Brady vet advice of what Bledsoe could see but the youngater Brady had never seen before whenever he came to the sideline (Bledsoe does not appear to be capable of doing the walking and chewing gum at the same time of making the right pass while waiting to get hit, but there appears to be nothing wrong with his ability to dissect the game from the sideline. Further, to the key point of this thread, when Bledsoe was forced into the championship game by an injury to Brady, he not only threw the winning pass as a sub, but fortunately for the Pats, he struggled a bit with an offense made more conservative for Brady and created no QB controversy by winning the game with no style points whatsoever. If this was not enough of a lesson that the way to get the most productivity out of Bledsoe is to use him as a change-up rather than rely on his extraordinary arm, Killdrive as has been pointed out had great success iniitially being pass-happy with Bledsoe, but as the season went on and opposing teams got more tape on Bledsoe, they figured out with Belichectk providing a textbook in his games against the Bills how to neurtalize him using his bad tendenices Killdrive stuck with. Lo and behold, the Bills in 04 got off to a lurching start with Bledsoe at the helm last year. but MM and Clements used an alarm clock set for 4 seconds after the snap to remind Bledsoe to throw the damn ball and even did a mcu better job neutralizing the blitz as a guranteed tool against Bledsoe using the outside running threat of WM, employing the Bledsoe years to successfully pull off a number of flea flickers and shockingly even using Bledsoe to run the QB draw which I don't remember Killdrive doing at all. Will Bledsoe have a better year with the Cowboys than the Bills? Hard to say as so much depends on how the team plays around your whether a QB will have a good year (W/L is really the only important measure). However, I would not be surprised to se Bledsoe have a very good year in terms of QB rating (not the same thing at all as W/L as folks really overemphasize the import of the QB to winning the game). All through his career we have seen lesson after lesson in how to actually get your team far with Bledsoe as a player and how to not do well at all with Bledsoe as your QB. The key to production for the team with him as QB is to use his arm as a threat and not to depend on him combining his arm and head to carry your team. Bledsoe is simply not good enough to do this. The interesting thing is that as Bledsoe gets older if he ever gets it through his athletic pride that the way for him to do more (winning) is for him to do less (passing) I think he will do well. Both Bledsoe and his coaches unfortunately as I think Clements relied on him a bit too much against Pitts last year seem to have to learn this lesson again and again. 287816[/snapback] the only thing drew taught tom was,how not to play the game. drew said to tom,watch footage of me then do the opposite. tom is a nice guy and will say nice things about anybody(including drew) so of course tom will give some credit to drew.these two guys have such different games,i cant see what a bum like drew could teach tom. tom already knew how to play the game. drews advice to tom right before brady took the field for the very last drive vs st.louis to win the superbowl was-JUST SLING IT-. sling it? whats that garbage suppose to mean???? throw the ball deep,hard,and let there be a pretty spiral to it so you can say you slinged it? even if you receivers are covered like glue? how about saying something like hey,be smart,accurate and find the open man no matter where he is. if he gets tackled in bounds, quicky get to the line and spike the ball ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 the only thing drew taught tom was,how not to play the game. drew said to tom,watch footage of me then do the opposite. tom is a nice guy and will say nice things about anybody(including drew) so of course tom will give some credit to drew.these two guys have such different games,i cant see what a bum like drew could teach tom. tom already knew how to play the game. drews advice to tom right before brady took the field for the very last drive vs st.louis to win the superbowl was-JUST SLING IT-. sling it? whats that garbage suppose to mean???? throw the ball deep,hard,and let there be a pretty spiral to it so you can say you slinged it? even if you receivers are covered like glue? how about saying something like hey,be smart,accurate and find the open man no matter where he is. if he gets tackled in bounds, quicky get to the line and spike the ball ect. 288228[/snapback] Hey, man.......Drew may not be able to throw it 80 yards anymore.....but he CAN throw it 78. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I think a more important question is which team will have more wins in 2005 - DullAss or The Bills? Frankly, if JP has a QB rating of .25 and The Bills get into the playoffs - who cares? OK, Losman and his agent will care - but will any Bills fan care? Who's going to be saying this? "Gee, I been feeling really bad for weeks now. Losman's QB rating is lower than Drew's! Oh, the humanity! I feel so low." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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