26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 @NFLonFOX Mike Pereira and Dean Blandino go over some of the most controversial plays in Week 6 of the NFL week - including t… https://www.pscp.tv/w/1BdGYMllMjXGX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Expert opinion: @MikePereira That hit on Rodgers was legal. He was out of the pocket on the run. As anyone can tell from reading the rule, and as GoBills808 pointed out, Pereira has focused on the wrong issue. The fact that Rodgers was out of the pocket does not rob him of the other protections afforded a passer, including the stuffing the passer rule quoted above. Edited October 17, 2017 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 I don't agree with him. I just explained why. You're allowed to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 @NFLonFOXMike Pereira and Dean Blandino go over some of the most controversial plays in Week 6 of the NFL week - including t… https://www.pscp.tv/w/1BdGYMllMjXGX You can post as many links as you want from so-called experts, but it won't change the rule or the fact that it appeared very much to be an illegal hit and should have been flagged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 As anyone can tell from reading the rule, and as GoBills808 pointed out, Pereira has focused on the wrong issue. The fact that Rodgers was out of the pocket does not rob him of the other protections afforded a passer, including the stuffing the passer rule quoted above. That's the main issue for me, and it really looks like an obvious violation in that Barr clearly 'drove him down after he had thrown the ball' and also 'landed on top of him with all or most of his weight'...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 As anyone can tell from reading the rule, and as GoBills808 pointed out, Pereira has focused on the wrong issue. The fact that Rodgers was out of the pocket does not rob him of the other protections afforded a passer, including the stuffing the passer rule quoted above. There's Mike Pereira and Dean Blandino both saying the hit was 100% legal. Carry on. Start the mannc football league and you can make it illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 You're allowed to be wrong. Let's leave Mike Pereira out of this for a minute. Why do YOU contend it wasn't a penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) There's Mike Pereira and Dean Blandino both saying the hit was 100% legal. Carry on. Start the mannc football league and you can make it illegal. Pereira has already demonstrated that he doesn't know the rule, so I don't put much stock in his opinion. The video clip you posted also demonstrates this. Edited October 17, 2017 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 Let's leave Mike Pereira out of this for a minute. Why do YOU contend it wasn't a penalty? Rodgers was hit as soon as he released the ball outside of the pocket and on the run. Barr tackled him, but didn't drive him into the ground at all. No flag on a clean hit. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Pereira has already demonstrated that he doesn't know the rule, so I don't put much stock in his opinion. The video clip you posted also demonstrates this. It's true. I just watched 26CornerBlitz's video and they don't understand the rule as it applies to passers out of the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 Pereira has already demonstrated that he doesn't know the rule, so I don't put much stock in his opinion. The video clip you posted also demonstrates this. Yes mannc is the correct arbitrator while two former directors of NFL officiating don't know what they're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Rodgers was hit as soon as he released the ball outside of the pocket and on the run. Barr tackled him, but didn't drive him into the ground at all. No flag on a clean hit. Period. If he didn't "drive him into the ground at all" or "land on him with all or most of his body weight" (which is also illegal) then how did Rodgers get hurt? And he was not hit "as soon as he released the ball." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 If he didn't "drive him into the ground at all" or "land on him with all or most of his body weight" (which is also illegal) then how did Rodgers get hurt? And he was not hit "as soon as he released the ball." No flag, no fine, no suspension. He got tackled on a clean hit with an unfortunate outcome of Rodgers being hurt. Newsflash! Football players sometimes get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Rodgers was hit as soon as he released the ball outside of the pocket and on the run. Barr tackled him, but didn't drive him into the ground at all. No flag on a clean hit. Period. 1. -'As soon as he released the ball' doesn't really mean anything. The rule says : 'A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (1) above' 2. -'Outside the pocket' doesn't take away the subsection 2 protections afforded passers, which I quoted above. 3. -'On the run': doesn't really have any bearing here. 4. -'Didn't drive him into the ground at all'...I guess that's a judgement call, but Barr's pretty clearly in violation of 'When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player’s arms.' It's very clear to me this was roughing the passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Yes mannc is the correct arbitrator while two former directors of NFL officiating don't know what they're talking about. I've quoted the rule and explained very clearly why I believe it should have been a penalty. You've yet to refute that, but instead posted a link showing that Blandino and Pereira clearly don't know the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 1. -'As soon as he released the ball' doesn't really mean anything. The rule says : 'A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (1) above' 2. -'Outside the pocket' doesn't take away the subsection 2 protections afforded passers, which I quoted above. 3. -'On the run': doesn't really have any bearing here. 4. -'Didn't drive him into the ground at all'...I guess that's a judgement call, but Barr's pretty clearly in violation of 'When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player’s arms.' It's very clear to me this was roughing the passer. Barr didn't do that which is why there wasn't a flag and there will be no subsequent fine or suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 If he didn't "drive him into the ground at all" or "land on him with all or most of his body weight" (which is also illegal) then how did Rodgers get hurt? And he was not hit "as soon as he released the ball." If I'm reading it right, you can't tackle the passer in the manner Barr did regardless of whether the passer is in or out of the pocket, or even if he initiated contact DURING a throw' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 I've quoted the rule and explained very clearly why I believe it should have been a penalty. You've yet to refute that, but instead posted a link showing that Blandino and Pereira clearly don't know the rule. You explained nothing. You wrongly claimed Rodgers was driven into the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Barr didn't do that which is why there wasn't a flag and there will be no subsequent fine or suspension. If your standard for a missed roughing the passer call is 'no subsequent fine or suspension', I can see why this conversation isn't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 How and why does NE constantly get away with this stuff. Sometimes they get caught and pay a fine and on to the superbowl. Brady crys and out comes the flag. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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