MAJBobby Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Let me just say this....if someone has to explain to you why Tyrod doesn't throw that ball to the slant receiver, then ....well whatever... At least pick a good example of Tyrod screwing up. That one is not even close to a good example. If you want to argue it is, you are just seeing whatever you want to see without being objective.... There are way better plays to choose from to make a point on. Complete lack of objectivity on display. Got it you cant explain it too me... I can tell you why he doesn't. I would like for you to explain it though since you infer you know why. So go ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Or it was just one of many examples where the ball didn't get to where it needed to go. It's not a lack of objectivity, and I noticed that you didn't comment on the other link I provided in this very thread. Sure, pressure up the middle, but the ball needs to get out quickly in the red zone; that's football 101. Powell had made his break and was clearly open before the rush got there. That's the very problem I've said is killing Tyrod's game right now: he isn't throwing with anticipation. Better pre and post-snap reads would've resulted in a TD. If anyone is cherry-picking, it's you. The evidence is there. He's missing a lot of plays. Want a few more examples? https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/793488637363093504 https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/793464311662407680 I didn't call you out on the second one because I didn't see an issue with it. Like I said, if you want to make a point - at least make the effort to choose a play that actually makes that point. The one you brought up sure as hell didn't. That's all. Can't just admit it was a poor example and move on huh? Okay. No prob. I get it. enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Or it was just one of many examples where the ball didn't get to where it needed to go. It's not a lack of objectivity, and I noticed that you didn't comment on the other link I provided in this very thread. Sure, pressure up the middle, but the ball needs to get out quickly in the red zone; that's football 101. Powell had made his break and was clearly open before the rush got there. That's the very problem I've said is killing Tyrod's game right now: he isn't throwing with anticipation. Better pre and post-snap reads would've resulted in a TD. If anyone is cherry-picking, it's you. The evidence is there. He's missing a lot of plays. Want a few more examples? https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/793488637363093504 https://twitter.com/YardsPerPass/status/793464311662407680 Definitely think the emphasis is on the pre-snap reads since we know he is determining his progression at the line based on matchups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I didn't call you out on the second one because I didn't see an issue with it. Like I said, if you want to make a point - at least make the effort to choose a play that actually makes that point. The one you brought up sure as hell didn't. That's all. Can't just admit it was a poor example and move on huh? Okay. No prob. I get it. enough said. It wasn't a poor example...it was a perfect example. Bad pre-snap read, bad post-snap read. There's no reason for you to take it personally (twice). Definitely think the emphasis is on the pre-snap reads since we know he is determining his progression at the line based on matchups. It's a big part, yeah. It's the kind of thing that Roman was eager to limit last year. I know that most QB coaches want the QB to pare down his options to a 3-route read pre-snap; I wonder if (a) Tyrod is being coached to pare down to 2, and/or (b) he's struggling to recognize which 1 or 2 routes should be eliminated based on the defensive look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 It wasn't a poor example...it was a perfect example. Bad pre-snap read, bad post-snap read. There's no reason for you to take it personally (twice). It's a big part, yeah. It's the kind of thing that Roman was eager to limit last year. I know that most QB coaches want the QB to pare down his options to a 3-route read pre-snap; I wonder if (a) Tyrod is being coached to pare down to 2, and/or (b) he's struggling to recognize which 1 or 2 routes should be eliminated based on the defensive look. I think it's mostly B, honestly. And unfortunately I think it's partly to do with a lack of experience being allowed to do it. I suspect it will improve, but the question is how quickly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Beeeews Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Injuries to all kinds of skill players. A horrendous offensive line that cant pass protect to save their lives, a secondary that's catagorically worthless. Yes...this is ALL on Tyrod...👌👌👌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Injuries to all kinds of skill players. A horrendous offensive line that cant pass protect to save their lives, a secondary that's catagorically worthless. Yes...this is ALL on Tyrod... Why stop with just these two ridiculous and exaggerated generalizations? Keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Injuries to all kinds of skill players. A horrendous offensive line that cant pass protect to save their lives, a secondary that's catagorically worthless. Yes...this is ALL on Tyrod... 180 yards in a blowout loss ? Yes he's having some issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Injuries to all kinds of skill players. A horrendous offensive line that cant pass protect to save their lives, a secondary that's catagorically worthless. Yes...this is ALL on Tyrod... Deflect much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Injuries to all kinds of skill players. A horrendous offensive line that cant pass protect to save their lives, a secondary that's catagorically worthless. Yes...this is ALL on Tyrod... http://www.scout.com/nfl/bills/story/1671762-tyrod-taylor-had-most-time-to-pass-in-nfl Can't find the tweet, but he's last in the NFL again so far in 2016. He's taking longer to release the ball than any other player in the NFL. Let that sink in before you criticize the OL's pass protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 http://www.scout.com/nfl/bills/story/1671762-tyrod-taylor-had-most-time-to-pass-in-nfl Can't find the tweet, but he's last in the NFL again so far in 2016. He's taking longer to release the ball than any other player in the NFL. Let that sink in before you criticize the OL's pass protection. This was emphasized as a strength when Rodgers was playing in prime time though Bandit! Increased time to cover receivers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 This was emphasized as a strength when Rodgers was playing in prime time though Bandit! Increased time to cover receivers! Actually, it is an advantage in terms of buying time for the WRs. I just meant that, despite how good a scrambler Tyrod is, the fact that he can hold the ball as long as he does means the OL is doing their job. Despite playing in front of the QB that holds the ball longer than any other, they've only allowed 40 QB hits for the season, which ranks 14th in the NFL (and 10 of the teams that have allowed fewer hits have also played 1 fewer game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) Actually, it is an advantage in terms of buying time for the WRs. I just meant that, despite how good a scrambler Tyrod is, the fact that he can hold the ball as long as he does means the OL is doing their job. Despite playing in front of the QB that holds the ball longer than any other, they've only allowed 40 QB hits for the season, which ranks 14th in the NFL (and 10 of the teams that have allowed fewer hits have also played 1 fewer game). Out of curiosity, is the time you're referencing time in the pocket, or snap to release in general? I'd also argue that the low QB hits are partly due to Tyrod's skillset as well. In my head I see it as roughly 60/40 on whether holding the ball is a detriment to the OL or assisting them. To add, I do not list the OL as part of what's hindering our passing game. I think they play off Tyrod as much as he plays off them, and they generally compliment each other quite well. Edited November 1, 2016 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Out of curiosity, is the time you're referencing time in the pocket, or snap to release in general? I'd also argue that the low QB hits are partly due to Tyrod's skillset as well. In my head I see it as roughly 60/40 on whether holding the ball is a detriment to the OL or assisting them. To add, I do not list the OL as part of what's hindering our passing game. I think they play off Tyrod as much as he plays off them, and they generally compliment each other quite well. I believe it's simply snap-to-release time, so yeah, I'm sure his scrambling effects it to a degree. That's one reason that I like to cross-reference it with QB hits, because scrambling can buy time, but it often results in a higher number of QB hits. That's why guys like Wilson and Newton are always near the top of the most-hit QBs (though Wilson's injury has actually limited his QB hits a bit this year because he hasn't moved around anywhere near as much). I agree on the second statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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