Liberal Protests

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

That is a very nice strip in St. Pete. Hubby and I would like to vacation there again soon.  We stayed at the Vinoy (Marriott) last year. Inside the hotel is a history of what the area looked like, and how it has been rebuilt. A lot of time, energy, effort, and money have gone into making that waterfront strip safe, walkable, and high(er) end.  The last thing that area needs is to become lawless. I am surprised the police were not on them to disburse that crowd immediately. 
 

[B-Man]

ROGER SIMON: Bullets over Louisville.

I thought back to my days as a sixties anti-war protestor, being caught up in the crowds yelling “Off the pig!” The joke then was what we would do if someone broke into our apartments with no cops available. “Call a hippie!” was the supposedly jocular response.

 

In truth, in those days few of us thought badly of the police (with the exception, of course, of the extremist Kathy Boudin/Weather Underground-types who killed them). It was all kind of a game to us, stupid, juvenile and pointless as it was, not to mention politically reactionary. The police were and are the working class, not the privileged college kids then attacking them.

 

Today, things are very different and multiple times worse, making the sixties indeed seem like child’s play.

 

As I type this, yet another cop is reported as being shot in Louisville, making two, the same number as were shot just the other day in L.A., with no one apprehended.

 

All this after it was made clear that in the Breonna Taylor case, the one all the Louisville madness is supposed to be about, the police did not break in on her apartment with a “no-knock” entry, and her drug-dealer boyfriend they were seeking admittedly opened fire first. And yet a cop, who was defending an already wounded buddy, got indicted. Go figure.

 

Basta.

The time has come to say clearly what many of us have muttered for a long time:

 

BLM… the Marxist-led Black Lives Matter… is the modern version of the KKK. The skin colors may be different but the murderous instincts and racist loathing are the same.

So, the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party, to coin a phrase?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

 

[Alaska Darin]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Is it generally safer to serve a warrant on a drug dealer at 1am or 3 am  versus 10am, noon, 2pm?

 "There are a million ways to arrest someone without possibly initiating an armed confrontation in a densely populated building where it is GUARANTEED the majority of residents will be at home." On a drug dealer?  Was the man generally armed? Did he frequently use human shields? Did he have body guards willing to shoot? 

As I said, I am not LEO. If you are, especially if you are in drug enforcement, it would be helpful to know how and when they could have served this warrant that there would be an absolute guarantee that the drug dealer would not start shooting. Perhaps a middle of the night no-knock where they actually do not knock?
 

Obviously you're not in law enforcement.

 

Reality check:  In order to obtain a warrant, you have to have probable cause.  In this instance, they had multiple times surveilled this perp and had patterns, which were in the warrant documentation. 

 

Patterns are the key.  If you have patterns, you can chose your arrest point based on them.  It's "generally" much easier to simply traffic stop or catch them as they leave the apartment building in a more controlled situation.  What they "decided" on was (seemingly) a fundamentally more risky course of action and it ended up with multiple high velocity rounds being sprayed around in a populated apartment complex.  It's stupid, lazy, and put a large number of innocent people in unnecessary danger. 

 

These senseless tactical decisions are the reason why inexperienced and stupid politicians feel the need to constantly tie cop's hands.

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Alaska Darin said:

Obviously you're not in law enforcement.

 

Reality check:  In order to obtain a warrant, you have to have probable cause.  In this instance, they had multiple times surveilled this perp and had patterns, which were in the warrant documentation. 

 

Patterns are the key.  If you have patterns, you can chose your arrest point based on them.  It's "generally" much easier to simply traffic stop or catch them as they leave the apartment building in a more controlled situation.  What they "decided" on was (seemingly) a fundamentally more risky course of action and it ended up with multiple high velocity rounds being sprayed around in a populated apartment complex.  It's stupid, lazy, and put a large number of innocent people in unnecessary danger. 

 

These senseless tactical decisions are the reason why inexperienced and stupid politicians feel the need to constantly tie cop's hands.

 

 

Are you in law enforcement?

 

[Alaska Darin]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

Are you in law enforcement?

 

Not anymore.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Alaska Darin said:

Not anymore.

Did you serve warrants? If so, what did you do to protect yourself from being shot when serving in dangerous situations?

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

 

True.

[Alaska Darin]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Did you serve warrants? If so, what did you do to protect yourself from being shot when serving in dangerous situations?

 

Yes.  You use responsible strategy and tactical planning.  Generally you execute "raid" warrants in the middle of the night when you're trying to take down a drug den with reinforced entrances and multiple known shooters inside. 

 

The took an apartment door with a Chicago key, for crying out loud.  If there was a single responsible journalist in the world, they'd be asking the very simple question "Why was this course of action the BEST way to serve this warrant?" 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Alaska Darin said:

Yes.  You use responsible strategy and tactical planning.  Generally you execute "raid" warrants in the middle of the night when you're trying to take down a drug den here with reinforced entrances and multiple known shooters inside. 

 

The took an apartment door with a Chicago key, for crying out loud.  If there was a single responsible journalist in the world, they'd be asking the very simple question "Why was this course of action the BEST way to serve this warrant?" 

So you would have gone at say... 3am versus 1am?
And what about the knocking to let them know they were there. Would you have done that?
 

[Alaska Darin]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

So you would have gone at say... 3am versus 1am?
And what about the knocking to let them know they were there. Would you have done that?
 

If I was in charge I wouldn't have gone to the apartment complex at all.  Again, they had his patterns (when he resupplied for example) so why not just get him on one of those trips and then search the residence at your leisure?

 

They had a "No Knock" warrant.  I don't agree with "No Knock" warrants but they're legal.  I "understand" why "No Knock" warrants were put in place (again, to go into known drug dens with multiple known shooters) but the government can't help but use the tools at their disposal even when they're not warranted because most of the time they'll win at trial because juries would rather see drug dealers behind bars than walking around, civil liberties be damned.

[Joe Miner]

4 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

Obviously you're not in law enforcement.

 

Reality check:  In order to obtain a warrant, you have to have probable cause.  In this instance, they had multiple times surveilled this perp and had patterns, which were in the warrant documentation. 

 

Patterns are the key.  If you have patterns, you can chose your arrest point based on them.  It's "generally" much easier to simply traffic stop or catch them as they leave the apartment building in a more controlled situation.  What they "decided" on was (seemingly) a fundamentally more risky course of action and it ended up with multiple high velocity rounds being sprayed around in a populated apartment complex.  It's stupid, lazy, and put a large number of innocent people in unnecessary danger. 

 

These senseless tactical decisions are the reason why inexperienced and stupid politicians feel the need to constantly tie cop's hands.

 

 

 

 

I believe there was a second warrant that had just been served at a separate and much higher risk location.  I believe there was some need to have the timing of this warrant line up.

 

But without knowing all of the factors involved in these warrants, the evidence, and the decision points along the way, I’ll withhold judgment on whether this was the best time or not to serve the warrant.

 

Serving warrants is a dangerous job for all involved no matter the precautions taken. No one here knows what was discussed and what decisions were made in the planning leading up to this.  Because there were possibilities for different decisions to be made, doesn’t mean that those possibilities weren’t evaluated and rejected based upon other information.

[Alaska Darin]

1 minute ago, Joe Miner said:

I believe there was a second warrant that had just been served at a separate and much higher risk location.  I believe there was some need to have the timing of this warrant line up.

 

But without knowing all of the factors involved in these warrants, the evidence, and the decision points along the way, I’ll withhold judgment on whether this was the best time or not to serve the warrant.

 

Serving warrants is a dangerous job for all involved no matter the precautions taken. No one here knows what was discussed and what decisions were made in the planning leading up to this.  Because there were possibilities for different decisions to be made, doesn’t mean that those possibilities weren’t evaluated and rejected based upon other information.

Fair statements, to be certain. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Joe Miner]

I’m mostly pissed at the news on this subject.

 

The past several months the local and national news have been reporting every story about Breonna under the sun regardless of truth.

 

Half of the people upset about this STILL think the cops broke in and shot her in bed asleep. They also  STILL think the cops were at the wrong address.

 

Why? Because that’s what was initially reported for several weeks.

 

Innocent, black, EMT, who was a good citizen was murdered in her sleep by police in a botched raid.

 

I’m all for freedom of speech.  But there also has to be some accountability when false stories are repeatedly presented as truth and no corrections are made clear.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Joe Miner

[Alaska Darin]

1 minute ago, Joe Miner said:

I’m mostly pissed at the news on this subject.

 

The past several months the local and national news have been reporting every story about Breonna under the sun regardless of truth.

 

Half of the people upset about this STILL think the cops broke in and shot her in bed asleep. They also  STILL think the cops were at the wrong address.

 

Why? Because that’s what was initially reported for several weeks.

 

Innocent, black, EMT, who was a good citizen was murdered in her sleep by police in a botched raid.

 

I’m all for freedom of speech.  But there also has to be some accountability when false stories are repeatedly presented as truth and no corrections are made clear.

Absolutely correct.  All of these "journalists" should be ashamed of themselves.

 

Honestly, it's going to take a lot to convince me this isn't all part of a larger plot to seriously damage the U.S.  There are just too many convenient things happening in unison.

[Sherlock Holmes]

17 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

If I was in charge I wouldn't have gone to the apartment complex at all.  Again, they had his patterns (when he resupplied for example) so why not just get him on one of those trips and then search the residence at your leisure?

 

They had a "No Knock" warrant.  I don't agree with "No Knock" warrants but they're legal.  I "understand" why "No Knock" warrants were put in place (again, to go into known drug dens with multiple known shooters) but the government can't help but use the tools at their disposal even when they're not warranted because most of the time they'll win at trial because juries would rather see drug dealers behind bars than walking around, civil liberties be damned.

This is what is very dangerous... how innocent people can get put in prison because of the "somebody needs to pay" mentality a lot of people have.

[Alaska Darin]

2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

This is what is very dangerous... how innocent people can get put in prison because of the "somebody needs to pay" mentality a lot of people have.

Agreed.  Citizens need to understand we're the most important check and balance in the system.