KurtGodel77 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Evans Hands are 3 times as good as Moulds... Awesome fundamentals catching away from his body. Moulds is starting to get a case of the dropsies, hurting his value, dropping clutch throws. 223587[/snapback] Excellent post! When you're only averaging 12 yards a catch--as Moulds does--you have to catch everything thrown your way. He doesn't. Let's say you want to move the ball down the field. Every time it's third down, you throw to a guy who is twice as likely to catch the pass as he is to drop it. The first time you face third down, you have a 67% chance of moving the chains. But how far do they move? With a guy who averages 40 yards a catch, you have a 67% chance of succeeding in moving the ball 40 yards, and a 44% chance of moving the ball 80 yards. (The 44% chance of moving the ball 80 yards assumes that you rely on this guy to bail you out of third down situations twice in a row. Each time he succeeds he gets you 40 yards.) But with the guy who averages just 10 yards a catch, you have to convert four third downs to get those 40 yards, and eight third downs to get 80 yards. Given that your WR has two catches for one drop, your odds of converting those four third downs are 20%, and your odds of converting eight third downs in a row are just 4%. In other words, the longer the distance your offense needs to go, the more the Moulds' combination of short YPC and dropped balls will hurt it. Notice the 40 YPC guy was about three times as likely to succeed in moving the ball 40 yards, but 11 times as likely to succeed in moving the ball 80 yards. This is why we scored so many points in that stretch when our defense and special teams kept giving the offense a short field. Any team is helped by a short field; but us more than most because we rely so heavily on a WR who has the combination of low YPC and a high number of drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I think that it is just too early to tell just how good Evens will be......I also think that I dont want to find out. Maybe it is just me but unlike Peerless Price Evans seems to have no problem with Moulds being the "Number 1" and him being "Number 1a" It is a good problem to have...I also think that except for the speed that is as far as the comparisons go with Evans..... Anybody remember the touchdown Evans caught at the end of the season where he got hit by a defender..kept his balance and crossed the goaline again? He is able to do this because for a shorter receiver he is also a heavier receiver with a upper biuld more like a running back. Our receivers are fine..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 He reminds me of guys like: James Lofton Anthony Miller (chagers) Anthony Carter (vikings) Great Speed. Great Hands. Great Pattern runner. It will be another year or two before you can tell anything about his toughness, but so far he hasn't shown anything that makes you think his toughness should be questioned. The only downside is his size. Although he has good leaping ability, I don't see him winning "Jump Balls" like a Randy Moss or Terrell Owens. By the way....I will be one of those few that will admit I was wrong about Lee Evans on draft day. I didn't think they should draft him because I thought it would be 2 or 3 years before he would be able to contribute. He was AWSOME this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 He reminds me of guys like:James Lofton Anthony Miller (chagers) Anthony Carter (vikings) Great Speed. Great Hands. Great Pattern runner. It will be another year or two before you can tell anything about his toughness, but so far he hasn't shown anything that makes you think his toughness should be questioned. The only downside is his size. Although he has good leaping ability, I don't see him winning "Jump Balls" like a Randy Moss or Terrell Owens. By the way....I will be one of those few that will admit I was wrong about Lee Evans on draft day. I didn't think they should draft him because I thought it would be 2 or 3 years before he would be able to contribute. He was AWSOME this year! 223644[/snapback] I too was disappointed on draft day. I employed the R.Rich philosophy of going after Big Guys, like Carey, Wilfork, Snee, etc. It eased the pain considerably watching Evans race into the end zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Evans will be a pro bowl receiver within a few years. He has speed, great hands, can run the short routes. He is alittle small for going over the middle but I seem to recall him making TD catches going over the middle. I seem to recall a story about how EVans asked Moulds for help on day 1. That is pretty humble for a #1 draft pick. So he has 2 of the best player coaches in the league showing him the ropes. Those people are Moulds and Vincent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pm73 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 You are crazy!!!!!!! Evans is cut out of the Price mold explosive and fast but can't cut a defense up with power like Moulds. Evans will be a great number 2, Moulds will keep him as a very productive number 2 like he did with Price. But speed isn't everything when you are sitting in double coverage all game like Moulds. You have to be strong and take the ball, like Moulds does. So while I agree Moulds has to restructure it's not like Drew where if he doesn't he's gone. He's doing to win football games because he wants to go to the playoff's and have a chance to win. So over all I love Evans but he's not a number 1 receiver. 223021[/snapback] so do you and others who think that evans wont be a good #1 reciever think that evans was a wasted pick? i mean, a #16 overall pick for a #2 reciever? that doesn't seem right. i'm of the opinion that evans will turn into a great #1 reciever but will need a year or two more to develop into that. if not then that pick will be considered a bust in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I feel that we are going to get a great year out of Moulds. I really think the past few years affected his attitude. If he wants to remain an "elite" receiver for a quality team, he needs to step up this year. I think he will remain our #1 target for several years. I believe his conditioning will allow this. It is time for him to finalize his legacy and I feel a player like Moulds will excel when challenged to be the #1 target on a GOOD football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel77 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I feel that we are going to get a great year out of Moulds. I really think the past few years affected his attitude. If he wants to remain an "elite" receiver for a quality team, he needs to step up this year. I think he will remain our #1 target for several years. I believe his conditioning will allow this. It is time for him to finalize his legacy and I feel a player like Moulds will excel when challenged to be the #1 target on a GOOD football team. 223806[/snapback] I think we need to get rid of Moulds and sign a player like Muhsin Muhammed. The Panthers may cut Muhammed for salary cap reasons. If there's going to be a new QB anyway, you may as well start of fresh with a new possession receiver; a guy who makes catches instead of drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 By the way....I will be one of those few that will admit I was wrong about Lee Evans on draft day. I didn't think they should draft him because I thought it would be 2 or 3 years before he would be able to contribute. He was AWSOME this year! 223644[/snapback] Post of the day!!! Someone admitting they were wrong about something previously posted. Now the only question is...why would you do this when all the old threads from last April are gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I think we need to get rid of Moulds and sign a player like Muhsin Muhammed. The Panthers may cut Muhammed for salary cap reasons. If there's going to be a new QB anyway, you may as well start of fresh with a new possession receiver; a guy who makes catches instead of drops. 223866[/snapback] The drops were indeed disheartening. I just feel that if his head is in the game, Moulds can be as good as they come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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