John Cocktosten Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Yes, proven...apparently by the following FBS defensive rankings: Baylor - 113th Iowa State - 87th Kansas - 118th Kansas State - 28th (downright impressive) Oklahoma - 50th Okla State - 64th TCU - 30th Texas - 74th Texas Tech - 92nd West Virginia - 117th Seriously man...nobody's arguing that the ACC is a defensive power, but come on As I said, if all 3 of those guys are first or second round picks, then apparently NFL talent evaluators will have felt that FSU's offensive talent is equal to that of Baylor's (according to their numbers, not mine). Until then, it's not looking so good for your argument. Also, I'm dying to know how using stats to support a stance is unacceptable to you, but using Athlon Sports pre-season WR rankings is reasonable? Miami was 120, BC was in the 100's and so was Duke. See how that works. Isn't it weird that there are so many Big East teams had top 20 defenses yet when they play out of conference they get slaughtered. You don't understand context in CFB. It's a different animal and it's not apples to apples like NFL is. Maryland at 21 is a perfect example. The 3 best offenses they faced put up 40 + on them the last 3 games of the season. But they finished ranked 21! I used Athlon because you and others said FSU doesn't have talent offensively. They were ranked that high because they have a ton of talent. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Good lord really? Do we want to go back to that same draft and look at who you fell in love with? You wanted Dan Lefevour in the second. At least Clausen is still on a team. Actually why don't we go back over every one of your posts and count the millions of ways you were wrong. You've been saying 10 wins per season for the last 5 years...those who live in glass houses. Ballsy to be so ignorant. Sorry, but you have gone on and on about how much you know, and that is how you can be so certain about Manuel. Understand that it is your tone of certainty, which comes off as a little arrogant, that most posters on this board have taken issue with - not your opinion. You brought up other QBs (that have turned out to be failures) that you also did not like when they were drafted - just to bolster your credibility. Don't deflect now that you have been called out on a QB you were clearly wrong about. Your opinion of Clausen only shows what you should already know: when it comes to the draft, you, nor anyone else, has any idea which draft picks will flourish and which ones will be looking for new employment within a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 No, I said that he had 4 WRs that could start for ALMOST any team in the country. Not sure what you're reading. Maybe jumped the gun on that one. Read the link too. Make sure you pay attention to the college articles about the best WR corps this year. I bet FSU is in the top 3 but they have no talent. I really don't think you understand how much talent they have and get year after year. They have been in the top 5 3 years that EJs been there. Seriously, you're out of your element Donny. I deleted the post because it really wasn't fair to say all four would beat out every other receiver. Still the point remains. It's still the most ridiculous post I have ever seen. All four could start on almost any team. None, or one, of the four would likely start on several teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 http://www.seminoles...meNFLDraft.html Top 5 defensively sure. But if you are talking about offense, the NFL hasn't noticed. Maybe because they're young? The Wrs were Sophs and Jrs. CB, it really shows how little you know about CFB but I'd expect that from a D3 player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) Maybe because they're young? The Wrs were Sophs and Jrs. CB, it really shows how little you know about CFB but I'd expect that from a D3 player. They're old enough to start on almost every team in the country!!! Edited May 6, 2013 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Maybe because they're young? The Wrs were Sophs and Jrs. CB, it really shows how little you know about CFB but I'd expect that from a D3 player. LOL! In the context of what you're arguing, the fact that they were young (implied: not as good as they could be) helps make the case that EJ's receivers weren't that good...WHEN HE WAS THEIR QUARTERBACK. They might eventually the four greatest receivers to ever play football...but they weren't during Manuel's tenure. Period. Case closed, you made everyone's point for them. Nicely done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 At-best, Rashad Greene might be a #2 or #3 in another major program. None of the other guys would crack top-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 LOL! In the context of what you're arguing, the fact that they were young (implied: not as good as they could be) helps make the case that EJ's receivers weren't that good...WHEN HE WAS THEIR QUARTERBACK. They might eventually the four greatest receivers to ever play football...but they weren't during Manuel's tenure. Period. Case closed, you made everyone's point for them. Nicely done. FSU had 4 Wrs go for over 500 yds in a non passing offense. How is that bad? It shows that FSU has a ton of depth. I'm sure none of it had to do with Lord EJ. Good god this is hilarious. At-best, Rashad Greene might be a #2 or #3 in another major program. None of the other guys would crack top-4. Rashard Greene maybe a 2 or 3? I'm done. You really don't know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 FSU had 4 Wrs go for over 500 yds in a non passing offense. How is that bad? It shows that FSU has a ton of depth. I'm sure none of it had to do with Lord EJ. Step one: collect underpants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 FSU had 4 Wrs go for over 500 yds in a non passing offense. How is that bad? It shows that FSU has a ton of depth. I'm sure none of it had to do with Lord EJ. Good god this is hilarious. They played 14 games. That's about 36 yards a game. If you take out Savannah State, it's about -3 yards a game. And they had three. Two guys with just over 500, and one guy with just under 500. http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2012-2013/teamcume.html#TEAM.IND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Don't blame poor Nix its all Jaurons and wandstat's fault ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Miami was 120, BC was in the 100's and so was Duke. See how that works. Isn't it weird that there are so many Big East teams had top 20 defenses yet when they play out of conference they get slaughtered. You don't understand context in CFB. It's a different animal and it's not apples to apples like NFL is. Maryland at 21 is a perfect example. The 3 best offenses they faced put up 40 + on them the last 3 games of the season. But they finished ranked 21! I used Athlon because you and others said FSU doesn't have talent offensively. They were ranked that high because they have a ton of talent. Simple as that. Talk about missing the point. You want to ignore the #s that don't agree with your point, but post some random website's opinion as support for it...how can you not see how ridiculous that is? FSU had 4 Wrs go for over 500 yds in a non passing offense. How is that bad? It shows that FSU has a ton of depth. I'm sure none of it had to do with Lord EJ. Good god this is hilarious. Rashard Greene maybe a 2 or 3? I'm done. You really don't know what you're talking about. I see, so the WRs get the credit for their #s but EJ doesn't? Gotcha. They played 14 games. That's about 36 yards a game. If you take out Savannah State, it's about -3 yards a game. And they had three. Two guys with just over 500, and one guy with just under 500. http://www.seminoles...e.html#TEAM.IND I was just about to post that very response... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Step one: collect underpants... So is that bad for a team that rushed for almost 3000 yds? This isn't a spread team. Not that you know that. See Andrew Luck. And they had three. Two guys with just over 500, and one guy with just under 500. http://www.seminoles...e.html#TEAM.IND Well you're completely wrong. But I'm sure you'll come back with something brilliant. NAME REC YDS AVG LONG TD Rashad Greene 57 741 13.0 71 (TD) 6 Kenny Shaw 33 532 16.1 77 (TD) 3 Rodney Smith 38 524 13.8 61 (TD) 3 Kelvin Benjamin 30 495 16.5 64 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Rashard Greene maybe a 2 or 3? I'm done. You really don't know what you're talking about. Rashad Greene was the #1 receiver on the Seminoles. He caught 57 passes for 741 yards and 6 TD's. That was tied for 97th in the country. I think I might have been overly generous thinking he'd be a #2 on another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 So is that bad for a team that rushed for almost 3000 yds? This isn't a spread team. Not that you know that. See Andrew Luck. Well you're completely wrong. But I'm sure you'll come back with something brilliant. NAME REC YDS AVG LONG TD Rashad Greene 57 741 13.0 71 (TD) 6 Kenny Shaw 33 532 16.1 77 (TD) 3 Rodney Smith 38 524 13.8 61 (TD) 3 Kelvin Benjamin 30 495 16.5 64 4 No, I was precisely right. There were only three players over 500 yards. You said there were four. I said two of them were just over 500, that was Shaw and Smith, at 532 and 524, and one of them, was just under 500, which was Benjamin at 495. Are you so bad at this that you link stats to back up my point? That's hilarious. I even linked the stats in my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 No, I was precisely right. There were only three players over 500 yards. You said there were four. I said two of them were just over 500, that was Shaw and Smith, at 532 and 524, and one of them, was just under 500, which was Benjamin at 495. Are you so bad at this that you link stats to back up my point? That's hilarious. I even linked the stats in my post. I think it's time for me to move on from this thread...there's only so many times you can make the same point without it sticking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 No, I was precisely right. There were only three players over 500 yards. You said there were four. I said two of them were just over 500, that was Shaw and Smith, at 532 and 524, and one of them, was just under 500, which was Benjamin at 495. Are you so bad at this that you link stats to back up my point? That's hilarious. I even linked the stats in my post. Really? I rounded up 5 yards and that's your brilliant point? Well you got me! I guess You gotta cling to something because it's clear that you and most in this thread watch college football on you tube after the draft is over. I can't wait to revisit this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Really? I rounded up 5 yards and that's your brilliant point? Well you got me! I guess You gotta cling to something because it's clear that you and most in this thread watch college football on you tube after the draft is over. I can't wait to revisit this thread. We can revisit it next year when no FSU WRs get drafted...again. Unless Greene comes out early, in which case he'll likely go in the 3rd-4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Really? I rounded up 5 yards and that's your brilliant point? Well you got me! I guess You gotta cling to something because it's clear that you and most in this thread watch college football on you tube after the draft is over. I can't wait to revisit this thread. And what point will that prove? Even if they turn out well, they weren't that good when EJ was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 (edited) Really? I rounded up 5 yards and that's your brilliant point? Well you got me! I guess You gotta cling to something because it's clear that you and most in this thread watch college football on you tube after the draft is over. I can't wait to revisit this thread. It wasn't a brilliant point. It was a simple point after you said "You're completely wrong" and then posted stats proving I was "completely right." I wasn't making any statements on how good the FSU WRs were at all, outside of the most foolish point ever that all four of them could start on almost any team in the country. Benjamin and Greene have a lot of talent. Not to mention that two of the six guys that your link mentioned as being "loaded" caught three passes for about 33 yards each over the entire 14 game season. Edited May 6, 2013 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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