Rico Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 And while you're at it you better get what you can right now for Lee Evans, a player whose talents would be wasted with a limp armer like Kitna. Evans would go from emerging star to "Where Are They Now?" if he loses one of the 4 best long arms in the league. But Josh Reed would LOVE Kitna! 196910[/snapback] The best long pass Evans caught all year came from Shane Matthews in the Niner game. It was a B-E-A-utiful throw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 The best long pass Evans caught all year came from Shane Matthews in the Niner game. It was a B-E-A-utiful throw! 196947[/snapback] I guess you don't get to see many of our games ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 And while you're at it you better get what you can right now for Lee Evans, a player whose talents would be wasted with a limp armer like Kitna. Evans would go from emerging star to "Where Are They Now?" if he loses one of the 4 best long arms in the league. But Josh Reed would LOVE Kitna! 196910[/snapback] Who turned Chad Johnson into a top 5 FF receiver in 2003? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Who turned Chad Johnson into a top 5 FF receiver in 2003? 196975[/snapback] I'd hardly compare the two. Chad Johnson has 4 years in the league. Lee Evans in his rookie campaign averaged 3 yards more per catch than Johnson has over his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I'd hardly compare the two. Chad Johnson has 4 years in the league. Lee Evans in his rookie campaign averaged 2.5 yard more per catch than Johnson ever has over his career. 197003[/snapback] But, Drew wasn't any part of this. In fact, if Shane Matthews had started Evans would have broken most of the rookie records this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 But, Drew wasn't any part of this. In fact, if Shane Matthews had started Evans would have broken most of the rookie records this year. 197008[/snapback] what from 1 pass ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 what from 1 pass ??? 197013[/snapback] I kid, I kid.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 after reading TD's comments....the one thing i am beginning to be reminded of is how devastating JP's broken leg was. missing all the practice time...and then to hear how he began to look like things were beginning to click the final month of the season (albeit in practice). does anyone have Troy Vincent's home address? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I'd hardly compare the two. Chad Johnson has 4 years in the league. Lee Evans in his rookie campaign averaged 3 yards more per catch than Johnson has over his career. 197003[/snapback] I'd agree that you can't compare the two, as Johnson has averaged nearly 15 yds/catch as the No. 1 receiver in his career, vs a guy who averaged 17.5 basically over 9 games as the No. 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 But, Drew wasn't any part of this. In fact, if Shane Matthews had started Evans would have broken most of the rookie records this year. 197008[/snapback] No doubt; if we only had Trent Dilfer, Josh Reed would be making his Hawaii reservations right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I'd agree that you can't compare the two, as Johnson has averaged nearly 15 yds/catch as the No. 1 receiver in his career, vs a guy who averaged 17.5 basically over 9 games as the No. 2. 197021[/snapback] The only real measure we have is their rookie outings, although again I'd hardly consider it a fair comparison: Johnson: 28 catches 329 yards 11.8 YPC 28 longest catch 1 TD Evans: 48 catches 843 yards 17.6 YPC 69 longest catch 9 TDs I'm sure Kitna would have made Evans a legitimate performer though ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 About Donahoe Not wanting Bledsoe. I think we've all come to realize, Bledsoe won't win us many games, and a few instances can be pointed at as the reason we lost games 196657[/snapback] A Few????????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 The only real measure we have is their rookie outings, although again I'd hardly consider it a fair comparison: Johnson: 28 catches 329 yards 11.8 YPC 28 longest catch 1 TD Evans: 48 catches 843 yards 17.6 YPC 69 longest catch 9 TDs I'm sure Kitna would have made Evans a legitimate performer though ;-) 197046[/snapback] Let's stick with apples to apples - Chad Johnson was the #3 receiver on that team, while Evans was #2. Rookie Years: Chad Johnson: 28 catches 329 yards 11.8 YPC 28 longest catch 1 TD Josh Reed 37 catches 514 yards 13.9 YPC 2 TD But what happened to each one, as they moved up the depth chart in their sophomore seasons? Chad Johnson 69 1166 16.9 5 Josh Reed 58 588 10.1 2 Granted, we're hoping that Evans has a bigger year next year, but given the history of troubles for sophomore WRs, we shouldn't totally count on it. Still, the logic holds that Kitna is a weak armed QB is not supported by the progression of Chad Johnson and TJ Houshisname in Cincy's vertical passing game. Finally, since we both agree that Lee Evans was a critical offensive weapon in Bills late season resurgence, on whom would you lay primary blame for the following trendline: | sea 6 70 | 1 | | mia 4 110 | 2 | | cle 4 33 | 1 | | cin 5 101 | 1 | | sfo 8 92 | 2 | | pit 2 63 | 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Let's stick with apples to apples - Chad Johnson was the #3 receiver on that team, while Evans was #2. Rookie Years: Chad Johnson: 28 catches 329 yards 11.8 YPC 28 longest catch 1 TD Josh Reed 37 catches 514 yards 13.9 YPC 2 TD But what happened to each one, as they moved up the depth chart in their sophomore seasons? Chad Johnson 69 1166 16.9 5 Josh Reed 58 588 10.1 2 Granted, we're hoping that Evans has a bigger year next year, but given the history of troubles for sophomore WRs, we shouldn't totally count on it. Still, the logic holds that Kitna is a weak armed QB is not supported by the progression of Chad Johnson and TJ Houshisname in Cincy's vertical passing game. Finally, since we both agree that Lee Evans was a critical offensive weapon in Bills late season resurgence, on whom would you lay primary blame for the following trendline: | sea 6 70 | 1 | | mia 4 110 | 2 | | cle 4 33 | 1 | | cin 5 101 | 1 | | sfo 8 92 | 2 | | pit 2 63 | 0 197232[/snapback] Clearly the one to blame is Eric Moulds. As our opponents realized Eric no longer needed as much attention yet our rookie was a double threat- speed AND hands- our opponents focused their deep help and also their underneath double primarily on Lee. Look at the Pitt game- they figured they could cover Moulds with single coverage by Chad Scott coming off 7 or 8 weeks from an injury- and they won the battle of the odds in doing so when Moulds lost two by his own poor handling of the ball while being single covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 I'd hardly compare the two. Chad Johnson has 4 years in the league. Lee Evans in his rookie campaign averaged 3 yards more per catch than Johnson has over his career. 197003[/snapback] That just means he didn't catch alot of passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 Clearly the one to blame is Eric Moulds. As our opponents realized Eric no longer needed as much attention yet our rookie was a double threat- speed AND hands- our opponents focused their deep help and also their underneath double primarily on Lee. Look at the Pitt game- they figured they could cover Moulds with single coverage by Chad Scott coming off 7 or 8 weeks from an injury- and they won the battle of the odds in doing so when Moulds lost two by his own poor handling of the ball while being single covered. 197464[/snapback] Of course it's Moulds' fault. There's no way it could be your brother. Sorry, I meant Drew Bledsoe. Same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Of course it's Moulds' fault. There's no way it could be your brother.Sorry, I meant Drew Bledsoe. Same thing. 197720[/snapback] Dude, why are you "Amazing?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Dude, why are you "Amazing?" 197727[/snapback] 'Cuz 'Pretty Good Grant' doesn't have quite the same ring to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 It came to me in a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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