st pete gogolak Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The factoid that Gailey has a single win in three years against teams that finished the season with a winning record (New England '11) led me to do a bit of research as to how that stacks up over the course of the Dark Ages (post Wade Phillips 2001-2012). The results, while not suprising, are pathetic. The Bills have a grand total of 14 wins in 12 seasons against teams that finished the season with a winning record. That averages out to slightly better than one win per year. Even that number includes the garbage win over the Colts on the last day of the '09 season and the win against the Redskins during the '07 season a couple of days after the Sean Taylor murder. A couple of interesting tidbits. Dick Jauron won 7 games in '08 without a single win over a team with a winning record. In fact, in over 3 1/2 years, Jauron only won three games against teams with winning records - the Redskins game and two games against pretty mediocre Jets teams. That's why I personally despise Jauron infinitely more than Gailey. He played to eek out wins against bad teams and got absolutely crushed by good teams. The last Bills team with a winning record ('04) only beat two teams that finished with winning records. Ironically, the '05 team only won 5 games but 3 were against teams that finished with winning records. That makes Mike Mularkey (5 wins) the valedictorian of the post Wade Phillips era. So to sum up, that's two - count 'em two (New England in '03 and '11) signature wins against quality teams in twelve years. As always, credit has to go to Bills fans who put up with this slop year after year after year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Excellent work there buffalobob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Groundbreaking analysis. So what you're saying is that the Bills don't beat teams that are good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) The factoid that Gailey has a single win in three years against teams that finished the season with a winning record (New England '11) led me to do a bit of research as to how that stacks up over the course of the Dark Ages (post Wade Phillips 2001-2012). The results, while not suprising, are pathetic. The Bills have a grand total of 14 wins in 12 seasons against teams that finished the season with a winning record. That averages out to slightly better than one win per year. Even that number includes the garbage win over the Colts on the last day of the '09 season and the win against the Redskins during the '07 season a couple of days after the Sean Taylor murder. A couple of interesting tidbits. Dick Jauron won 7 games in '08 without a single win over a team with a winning record. In fact, in over 3 1/2 years, Jauron only won three games against teams with winning records - the Redskins game and two games against pretty mediocre Jets teams. That's why I personally despise Jauron infinitely more than Gailey. He played to eek out wins against bad teams and got absolutely crushed by good teams. The last Bills team with a winning record ('04) only beat two teams that finished with winning records. Ironically, the '05 team only won 5 games but 3 were against teams that finished with winning records. That makes Mike Mularkey (5 wins) the valedictorian of the post Wade Phillips era. So to sum up, that's two - count 'em two (New England in '03 and '11) signature wins against quality teams in twelve years. Your basic point is that the hideously bad record doesn't reflect how bad this franchise actually is. What makes the status of the franchise even more outrageous is that the system is designed for parity. As always, credit has to go to Bills fans who put up with this slop year after year after year after year. Continuously being played for suckers is not a good reason for receiving credit. Edited December 18, 2012 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The factoid that Gailey has a single win in three years against teams that finished the season with a winning record (New England '11) led me to do a bit of research as to how that stacks up over the course of the Dark Ages (post Wade Phillips 2001-2012). The results, while not suprising, are pathetic. The Bills have a grand total of 14 wins in 12 seasons against teams that finished the season with a winning record. That averages out to slightly better than one win per year. Even that number includes the garbage win over the Colts on the last day of the '09 season and the win against the Redskins during the '07 season a couple of days after the Sean Taylor murder. A couple of interesting tidbits. Dick Jauron won 7 games in '08 without a single win over a team with a winning record. In fact, in over 3 1/2 years, Jauron only won three games against teams with winning records - the Redskins game and two games against pretty mediocre Jets teams. That's why I personally despise Jauron infinitely more than Gailey. He played to eek out wins against bad teams and got absolutely crushed by good teams. The last Bills team with a winning record ('04) only beat two teams that finished with winning records. Ironically, the '05 team only won 5 games but 3 were against teams that finished with winning records. That makes Mike Mularkey (5 wins) the valedictorian of the post Wade Phillips era. So to sum up, that's two - count 'em two (New England in '03 and '11) signature wins against quality teams in twelve years. As always, credit has to go to Bills fans who put up with this slop year after year after year after year. Good times! We also don't beat bad teams all that often either. Which is worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 FYI this is how the NFL works. Outside of a few good teams each year. The good team collect their wins from the bad teams. Why do you think the winner of he Super Bowl has played the Buffalo Bills in the regular season every year since 2006? They collect two easy wins from Miami and Buffalo and probably a third tough win from the Jests (They were 9-7 in their two AFC Championship runs) The Patriots (Den, Indi, Hou), Texans (Den, Bal, Ind), Ravens (Cin, NE, Dal) all have 3 wins a piece against teams with winning records. The Broncos have 2 (Cinci, Bal) All are division leaders. Only the Patriots beat teams that clinched winning records. The other 3 may end up with 1 win combined against teams with winning record (Ravens win over NE.) The Redskins (Bal, Dal, NYG), beat 3 teams with winning record. Packers (Chi, Chi, Min, Hou) , Houston (Den, NYG, WAS, Dal), 49ers (GB, SEA, CHI, NE) beat 4 teams with winning record. Given Chicago and NYG decline. These numbers are likely going to shrink. Don't get me wrong the Bills suck. But the wins over teams with winning records is a tricky stat to put into proper context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Isn't it more important to check out the losses to teams that had losing and .500 records? Those are the demoralizing season killers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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