LiterateStylish Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) I drafted a post in another thread showcasing some of this information but I thought it deserved it's own thread, and therefore went into more detail. The signing of Tarvaris Jackson was an absolutely solid move, and further solidifies my trust in the current front office. Vince Young was a weakness, and Thigpen is at best a quality control coach. There are some eye catching statistics that certainly point to why Buddy made this move. 2011 was TJ's first and only year in Seattle. While he started off slowly, his play in the second half of the season (presumably once he felt comfortable with their playbook) rose considerably. First 8 games: 73 QB rating, 6 TD's, 9 INT's Last 8 games: 85 QB rating, 8 TD's, 4 INT's As you can see, he not only put up better numbers in the 2nd half of the season, but he also became more consistent. * In games against the BIlls 2012 opponents, TJ completed 60% of his passes for 1125 yards, 7 TD's, and 5 INT's. He also had 55 yards on the ground. * Now here is where it gets very enticing. In December, he threw for 800 yards, 4 TD's, 0 INT's, and had a 98.8 QB rating. In games where it was 40 degrees or colder, he was 53 of 79 for 641 yards, 67% completion rating, 3 TD's, 0 INT's, and 104.5 QB rating. * In the Red Zone, he had 10 TD's and only 1 INT. It is worth noting that he does take a relatively high percentage of sacks in the red zone - 12% of all red-zone drop backs - likely due to his tendency to scramble under pressure. I personally love the move. I think he is a tremendous upgrade over Vince Young. And here is why (Vince Young stats to follow): * In games against the BIlls 2012 opponents, Young threw for 608 yards, 2 TD's, and 5 INT's and a fumble. He also had 72 yards on the ground. * In December, Vince Young threw for 208 yards, on 58% passing, with 1 TD's, 4 INT's, and 2 fumbles. All of these games were under 40 degrees. * In the Red Zone, he completed 56% of his passes, however 7 of those were TD's and he had 2 interceptions. Side by Side Analysis Against Bills 2012 Opponents TJ: 1,125 yards, 7 TD's, 5 INT's, 55 yards rushing Young: 608 yards, 2 TD's, 5 INT's, 1 fumble, 72 yards rushing In December/Games under 40 degrees TJ: 67%, 641 yards, 3 TD's, 0 INT, 104 QB rating Young: 56%, 208 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT's, 2 fumbles. 65 QB rating It's clear to see who has the higher upside. TJ consistently got better throughout the season. In games against the Bills 2012 opponents, he fared well. In games in December and in cold weather, he was PERFECT. Vince on the other hand was not consistent. Every week he was up and down, and he not only played poorly against Bills opponents but he was downright awful in cold weather. Good move by the front office. Edited August 28, 2012 by LiterateStylish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 You couldn't tell just by watching Vince play this preseason that he's playing bad? You needed a chart to figure all this out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiterateStylish Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 You couldn't tell just by watching Vince play this preseason that he's playing bad? You needed a chart to figure all this out? This is more about TJ than Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 This is more about TJ than Young. Just because his numbers were like that in Seattle doesn't mean his numbers will be identical in Buffalo. Different team, different system, and how he adapts will tell how well he plays. So you can compare numbers all you want but it doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Very interesting.. thanks for putting all of that together. Good to know that the deeper numbers support TJ over VY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Just because his numbers were like that in Seattle doesn't mean his numbers will be identical in Buffalo. Different team, different system, and how he adapts will tell how well he plays. So you can compare numbers all you want but it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, why bother with statistics & analysis when we need to rant about the roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Good research! And, don't forget, T Jack completed 60% of his passes last year despite a torn pec. Seattle fans all rave about this guy being a "warrior" who's willing to play hurt. T Jack is a borderline starter. Both Minnesota and Seattle made him a starter then decided to move on with a better option. In other words, he's a good back up. And your stats bear that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Thank you very much for bringing stats and facts to TBD. I know you're a new poster and want to make sure you know I appreciate the time and energy you put into your post. FleaMoulds80 is right that stats aren't everything, but baseless opinion is abundant on the board. Especially where opinion varies considerably (like the T Jackson hiring) it's great to look at the data and be open to interpretations of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiterateStylish Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 Yeah, why bother with statistics & analysis when we need to rant about the roster? That's why I chose not to respond to him/her after the second post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Yeah, why bother with statistics & analysis when we need to rant about the roster? All I'm saying is Tarvaris might play better than those stats indicate. Or he could completely bomb and be the worst QB to wear a Bills uniform. It means nothing. Different QBs play well in some systems and others don't. Look at Kevin Kolb. He looked like a STUD and his numbers in Philly were amazing. Well...just look at him in a different system on a different team. So you're still going to go off his numbers he put up in Philly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Great move by the FO!! If they thought TT was a capable backup VY would not have been brought in. After seeing VY play if they didnt do something then we would know that Buddy is asleep at the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiterateStylish Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) All I'm saying is Tarvaris might play better than those stats indicate. Or he could completely bomb and be the worst QB to wear a Bills uniform. It means nothing. Different QBs play well in some systems and others don't. Look at Kevin Kolb. He looked like a STUD and his numbers in Philly were amazing. Well...just look at him in a different system on a different team. So you're still going to go off his numbers he put up in Philly? Actually, you're wrong. Kolb was not a stud in Philly and his numbers were not amazing. Kolb had 11 TD's, 14 INT's, and 9 fumbles while in a Philadelphia uniform. Statistics dont lie. Edited August 28, 2012 by LiterateStylish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Great analysis, thanks so much for putting that together! It makes me feel better about the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Nice post LS. Looking at the chart and it's conclusions I can't help but think Pete Carrol is going to look like a total idiot if his shiny new QB either doesn't pan out or gets hurt and they struggle with no competent backup. Jackson may not know this yet, but with coach Lee and Gailey plus Fitz and Brad Smith ( and possibly Thigpen) to help him, he just put himself in an excellent learning environment with some cool people. I feel a lot better about our backup situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Actually, you're wrong. Kolb was not a stud in Philly and his numbers were not amazing. Kolb had 11 TD's, 14 INT's, and 9 fumbles while in a Philadelphia uniform. Statistics dont lie. Geeeeeez. Don't use hard facts and data again. Haaaaa The infamous double "youve been served" Nice thread by the way, thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) Actually, you're wrong. Kolb was not a stud in Philly and his numbers were not amazing. Kolb had 11 TD's, 14 INT's, and 9 fumbles while in a Philadelphia uniform. Statistics dont lie. I'm not talking about his 1st 2 seasons. If you're comparing Kolb's entire career, then why don't you compare Vince Young's career stats to Tarvaris Jackson's career stats? I'm talking about Kolbs last year in Philly, he played LIGHTS OUT. His first 2 career starts, he posted over 600 yds and 6 TDs, and he was the IT QB. I'll use Matt Flynn as another example. Look at how he played last year in Green Bay. Look at Matt Cassel in New England. Do you really want me to go on? All 3 QBs played lights out their last years with their old teams and have completely BOMBED with their new teams. So you're still gonna compare numbers like that? It means nothing. If stats were any indication of how they'll do with their new team, Matt Flynn would be starting and Matt Cassel would have the Chiefs in the playoffs every year. Edited August 28, 2012 by FleaMoulds80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiterateStylish Posted August 28, 2012 Author Share Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) I'm not talking about his 1st 2 seasons. If you're comparing Kolb's entire career, then why don't you compare Vince Young's career stats to Tarvaris Jackson's career stats? I'm talking about Kolbs last year in Philly, he played LIGHTS OUT. You're wrong again. His last year in Philly he played poorly. In fact, it was probably his worst year. He averaged 6 yards per pass - one of the lowest averages of his career. He threw 7 TD's. 7 INT's, and had 6 fumbles with a 76 QB rating. Edited August 28, 2012 by LiterateStylish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Very nice--thanks for putting together. Somewhat makes me understand why the FO did this. Seemed like a bizarre stab in the dark. What did you use for the graphic by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 You're wrong again. His last year in Philly he played poorly. In fact, it was probably his worst year. He averaged 6 yards per pass - one of the lowest averages of his career. He threw 7 TD's. 7 INT's, and had 6 fumbles with a 76 QB rating. If you've actually watched the games, you'd think differently. This is where stats are deceiving. There's a reason why Matt Flynn, Matt Cassel, and Kevin Kolb were highly chased after their tenure with their old teams. They played well in their last years of their contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 good article and certainly an interesting take on things. I hope your right about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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