ajzepp Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I don't really remember where it came from or who created it, but last year there was a thread about some predictive formula that was being used to determine which QBs had the best chance of success in the NFL. I'm pretty sure I remember that Andy Dalton was one of the few (or maybe even the only one) who fit the criteria. Does anyone remember this, and if so, what was the formula? Which QBs, if any, project highly based on the formula? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) i think this is what youre talking about...Parcells Rules 1.He must be a senior, because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback. 2.He must be a graduate, because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously. 3.He must be a three-year starter, because you need to make sure his success wasnt ephemeral and that he has lived as the guy for some period of time. 4.He must have at least 23 wins, because the big passing numbers must come in the context of winning games. Kellen Moore fits and doubles the wins Edited January 13, 2012 by Homer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsSD Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) I don't really remember where it came from or who created it, but last year there was a thread about some predictive formula that was being used to determine which QBs had the best chance of success in the NFL. I'm pretty sure I remember that Andy Dalton was one of the few (or maybe even the only one) who fit the criteria. Does anyone remember this, and if so, what was the formula? Which QBs, if any, project highly based on the formula? I think this is what you are looking for. Here is the link to the article My link This is the explanation "Call it the Rule of 26-27-60. Here is the gist of it: If an NFL prospect scores at least a 26 on the Wonderlic test, starts at least 27 games in his college career and completes at least 60 percent of his passes, there's a good chance he will succeed at the NFL level." Edited January 13, 2012 by BuffaloBillsSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I think this is what you are looking for. Here is the link to the article My link This is the explanation "Call it the Rule of 26-27-60. Here is the gist of it: If an NFL prospect scores at least a 26 on the Wonderlic test, starts at least 27 games in his college career and completes at least 60 percent of his passes, there's a good chance he will succeed at the NFL level." Yes the above are the TWO main criteria regarding QB success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) Wow, I don't remember there being two different ones...interesting Did Dalton fit criteria for both of those last year? Edited January 13, 2012 by ajzepp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) Anyone care to filter this year's top QBs through the criteria? I'm too tired. Whoops, never mind… there's that whole Wonderlic thing that hasn't actually happened yet! Told you I was tired. Edited January 13, 2012 by San Jose Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Wow, I don't remember there being two different ones...interesting Did Dalton fit criteria for both of those last year? When it comes down to it - they are very similar groups that pass. Longevity, intelligence, and accuracy sum up pretty much both groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 When it comes down to it - they are very similar groups that pass. Longevity, intelligence, and accuracy sum up pretty much both groups. I bet one has been more accurate than the other, though...that's what interests me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I bet one has been more accurate than the other, though...that's what interests me. Well then you'll have to come up with criteria for what is a successful qb to judge them on. Honestly, I'd bet they are pretty close to identical results numberwise in a broad strokes sense. Some borderline guys might fall in or out but I bet you'd be pretty close percentage of success and the guys that nail one are probably pretty high in the other. Close enough that choosing one method over the other is probably a negligible step up in scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 For the 1,000th time the 26-27-60 rule is not meant to be applied to all QBs all the time. Its meant to help decide between Top 10 QBs. so you can apply the rule to Luck and RGIII to determine who would be better for the colts to draft #1 overall. Not to compare 7th rounder Kellen Moore to 2nd rounder Ryan Tannehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 For the 1,000th time the 26-27-60 rule is not meant to be applied to all QBs all the time. Its meant to help decide between Top 10 QBs. so you can apply the rule to Luck and RGIII to determine who would be better for the colts to draft #1 overall. Not to compare 7th rounder Kellen Moore to 2nd rounder Ryan Tannehill. Moore will most likely go in the 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I don't really remember where it came from or who created it, but last year there was a thread about some predictive formula that was being used to determine which QBs had the best chance of success in the NFL. I'm pretty sure I remember that Andy Dalton was one of the few (or maybe even the only one) who fit the criteria. Does anyone remember this, and if so, what was the formula? Which QBs, if any, project highly based on the formula? While it's useful information, I don't think it is as important now. Since they have removed the aspect of getting knocked to the turf 15 times per game the Jim Everett's of the world will now be able to flourish. The problem is, a "passing" grade at QB is no longer enough. Now the team with the better QB in the fight has a bigger advantage than ever. A lot has changed in the past year since they made QB's untouchable and WR's were given the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Wow, I don't remember there being two different ones...interesting Did Dalton fit criteria for both of those last year? Why yes. Yes, he did. Wonderlic 29, check. Started 37 games, check. 61.7% completions overall for 4 years, check. The knock on Dalton that kept him from being a top prospect is arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) Why yes. Yes, he did. Wonderlic 29, check. Started 37 games, check. 61.7% completions overall for 4 years, check. The knock on Dalton that kept him from being a top prospect is arm strength. Also with regards to the Parcells Rules, his college won-lost record was 42-7 and he was a 4-year starter. He was also the MVP in the 3 Bowl Games in which he quarterbacked and was All-American once. Also… the Bills staff coached him in the Senior Bowl… but based on comments here and there they liked his South squad teammate Christian Ponder a bit better. http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/dalton_andy00.html Edited January 13, 2012 by San Jose Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 While it's useful information, I don't think it is as important now. Since they have removed the aspect of getting knocked to the turf 15 times per game the Jim Everett's of the world will now be able to flourish. The problem is, a "passing" grade at QB is no longer enough. Now the team with the better QB in the fight has a bigger advantage than ever. A lot has changed in the past year since they made QB's untouchable and WR's were given the middle of the field. I understand the point about changes in rule enforcement backing the Defense off. Yet every week QB still get sacked, hit, hurried, and tipped. Every week receivers still have passes batted away and get hit so hard birdies tweet, provided the 200 lb refrigerator that hits them leads with its shoulder and stays below theirs. Just curious - what conclusions will be drawn if the Superbowl turns out to be Houston-SF or Bal-SF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Chandler Harnish meets all of the criteria listed here, except I can't find if he has taken the Wonderlic test yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Anyone care to filter this year's top QBs through the criteria? I'm too tired. Whoops, never mind… there's that whole Wonderlic thing that hasn't actually happened yet! Told you I was tired. Don't worry Buffalo Barbarian will keep you up to date, at least on one QB. He is obsessed with Talleywhacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Don't worry Buffalo Barbarian will keep you up to date, at least on one QB. He is obsessed with Talleywhacker. Everyone is now. I think BringBackFergy wants him hired as our LB Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symbiant Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 The knock on Dalton that kept him from being a top prospect is arm strength. AJ Green made him look pretty decent I'd say. We need our own elite WR... sorry Stevie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Wow, I don't remember there being two different ones...interesting Did Dalton fit criteria for both of those last year? I'm pretty sure he did . THis year i think there wil be 2 QB's that if they are there at a later pick the Bills should get & one being Kellen Moore & the other despite the over all thought that he is to old which if he wasn't playing football he wasn't getting hit so he should have more life left in him , Brandon Weeden is the other that i am talking about . I thought with what he did over his college career he would be a great pick for the Bills !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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