ieatcrayonz Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) So you went from a big "if" in your first post in this thread, to Murfreesboro is "resisting a subversive and diabolical, political organization"? Or am I not following that right? You know when you'll stop nit picking posts about the intentions of radical Mormons? When your head is rolling down a flight of stairs, that's when. Edited July 22, 2011 by ieatcrayonz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 So you went from a big "if" in your first post in this thread, to Murfreesboro is "resisting a subversive and diabolical, political organization"? Or am I not following that right? You're doing yourself a disservice. The dude clearly brought up a valid distinction between religion and politics and supported it with a pretty solid example. To cling to the initial premise in the face of that gives the impression of a prejudicial knee jerk reaction. And you're better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 You're doing yourself a disservice. The dude clearly brought up a valid distinction between religion and politics and supported it with a pretty solid example. To cling to the initial premise in the face of that gives the impression of a prejudicial knee jerk reaction. And you're better than that. Maybe Crayonz is right and I am nitpicking. I recognize and agree with OC's distinction (and recognize that we really have no way of knowing which aspect is dominant in the Muslim community in Murfreesboro), however, his response to Adam didn't read as simply example-giving to me. That's all I'm saying. When I ask something like "Or am I not following that right?", I'm being completely serious. With the way I understood it, and understood his first post, it didn't seem like something OC would be intentionally conveying. Which is why I'm probably just nitpicking or not following correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 There is nothing despicable about resisting a subversive and diabolical, political organization. In fact, the opposite is the case: If I was to set up a Neo-Nazi political organization in New Mexico, and start telling your neighbors that you were their enemy, that you were stealing from them, that the only way to stop you was to join my group, and that our goals are to remove all Jewish, or other non-white, influence from New Mexico and replace it with WASP influence.... ....you had better stand up to me. You had better not sit there an take it. That would be despicable. As an American, I would expect better from you. The "Islam is the Answer" people are some of today's Nazis/Fascists/Marxists. How many more lessons from history do we need understand that resisting people like this fully, and immediately, is the only choice? I won't deny that the people you are talking about exist, but that isn't the case in Murfreesboro. I have a lot of friends down there, and they make a different Nazi analogy- comparing them with the protesters. The ones who have exhausted all legal action and have taken illegal actions..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) I won't deny that the people you are talking about exist, but that isn't the case in Murfreesboro. I have a lot of friends down there, and they make a different Nazi analogy- comparing them with the protesters. The ones who have exhausted all legal action and have taken illegal actions..... You know when your friends in Murfreesboro won't be supporting the Mormons? When their heads are rolling down a flight of stairs, that's when. Edited July 22, 2011 by ieatcrayonz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 You know when your friends in Murfreesboro won't be supporting the Mormons? When their heads are rolling down a flight of stairs, that's when. My friends up there don't care what religion someone is. They live and let live, the way people should live! I have muslims neighbors and live around mormons as well. They are all as nice as can be and have no thoughts about restricting my rights, forcing me to convert, or making me pick up the bad habits that infest this country (eating bad or watching nonsense on TV) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 (edited) So you went from a big "if" in your first post in this thread, to Murfreesboro is "resisting a subversive and diabolical, political organization"? Or am I not following that right? You are not following right. I was tempted just to leave it at that...because it would be funny, and because it would say it all. The ifs are all firmly in place. There is nothing wrong with open resistance, or warfare, or passive resistance...the tactics are unimportant...to anyone who is attempting to oppress you/take away your rights/way of life without your consent. The amount of resistance required needs to be directly proportional to the bad behavior exhibited. If there's no bad behavior, there's nothing to resist, and therefore, nothing to talk about. In this case, if the mosque is not a source of bad behavior, then it should be left alone, as whatever else goes on there is nobody's business. Consent is the key word here. Without a people's consent, no law, no government is valid. Marxists want to govern without consent. Socialists want to govern without consent. National Socialists/Fascists want to govern without consent. Now we can add these Islamists to that list. What do these groups all have in common? They think they know better than you how your life should run. They think that your consent doesn't matter, because, let's be honest here, they think: you don't matter. And that is the question each American must eventually, after clearing away all the BS, ask themselves: do I matter? That's the key difference: You will have a very hard time finding capitalists who think your opinion doesn't matter. The same is true of our political parties and government on the whole. Or do you not know how much $ goes into getting accurate market/political/opinion research each year? Edited July 25, 2011 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 You are not following right. I was tempted just to leave it at that...because it would be funny, and because it would say it all. The ifs are all firmly in place. There is nothing wrong with open resistance, or warfare, or passive resistance...the tactics are unimportant...to anyone who is attempting to oppress you/take away your rights/way of life without your consent. The amount of resistance required needs to be directly proportional to the bad behavior exhibited. If there's no bad behavior, there's nothing to resist, and therefore, nothing to talk about. In this case, if the mosque is not a source of bad behavior, then it should be left alone, as whatever else goes on there is nobody's business. Consent is the key word here. Without a people's consent, no law, no government is valid. Marxists want to govern without consent. Socialists want to govern without consent. National Socialists/Fascists want to govern without consent. Now we can add these Islamists to that list. What do these groups all have in common? They think they know better than you how your life should run. They think that your consent doesn't matter, because, let's be honest here, they think: you don't matter. And that is the question each American must eventually, after clearing away all the BS, ask themselves: do I matter? That's the key difference: You will have a very hard time finding capitalists who think your opinion doesn't matter. The same is true of our political parties and government on the whole. Or do you not know how much $ goes into getting accurate market/political/opinion research each year? The Social Democrats are all about voting, popular government and democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 You are not following right. I was tempted just to leave it at that... And I was tempted to just stop reading there, because it does say it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 The Social Democrats are all about voting, popular government and democracy really? like how for the past 2 years the democrat controlled president/house/senate crammed down unwanted legislation down the throats of a majority of voters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 (edited) The Social Democrats are all about voting, popular government and democracy With the rider: "As long as we all agree to never vote the socialism they impose away" firmly attached. What's that saying? "everything that comes before the ", but" is irrelevant".... We don't agree to having it in the first place, and we sure as hell don't agree to not being allowed to get rid of it if it doesn't work. I know! Exactly like what will be happening from Feb-Jun 2012. I can't wait to hear the crying. And I was tempted to just stop reading there, because it does say it all What? You give me an opportunity to bury them and you expect me to take a pass? Never! The distinction between capitalist/libertarian philosophy, and all the other ists, is that your opinion matters and you should be free to act on it, without undue hindrance from anyone. really? like how for the past 2 years the democrat controlled president/house/senate crammed down unwanted legislation down the throats of a majority of voters Yep. And there will be proportionate consequences for their bad behavior. We aren't going to tar and feather Dave_In_Norfolk and his friends, but, mark my words, if they persist in trying to force this country into some pissant European dystopia, we may very well see the tar and feathers come out. I'm not encouraging that, and I would very much like to avoid it, but*, as I said: proportionate consequences. Edited July 25, 2011 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 The Social Democrats are all about voting, popular government and democracy And we don't live in a democracy, we live in a democratic republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 And we don't live in a democracy, we live in a democratic republic. And thank God for that, otherwise, we'd have Dave_In_Norfolk and his friends Huey Longing their way into power... ...and when they ran out of chickens? They'd pass a new regulation on chicken farmers that not only blames them for running out, but does nothing to keep them from running out, makes chicken farming more difficult and costly, causing massive uncertainty in Philly and Chicago, thus inflating the price of chicken, and then of course blaming the chicken farmers for the middle class being unable to afford chicken. Then, they'd Huey Long their way into nationalizing the chicken business. And, when that fails? It's time to haul out the "it's all your fault" Jimmy Carter speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 And we don't live in a democracy, we live in a democratic republic. It's an indirect democracy, but still a democracy. Democratic republic, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 It's an indirect democracy, In other words...a Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 In other words...a Republic. Actually we are a socialist nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Actually we are a socialist nation Not with a president so far to the right that he's more conservative than Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Not with a president so far to the right that he's more conservative than Bush. No, they are only Conservatives in the context of a Socialist paradigm. Bush and Obama both expanded the welfare state, like the good little socialists they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 In other words...a Republic. You're just going to confuse him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 You're just going to confuse him. What, Dell has the day off for butt licking and you are his sub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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