Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Here are the misses we let go in the first round the past decade, now we can't hit homeruns every time but this will show how sad but true we did. 2000 - #26 DE Erik Flowers (this pick still makes me mad)LB Keith Bulluck 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo) 2002 - #4 OT Mike Williams ( knew this guy was a bum, big don't mean good, this guy was as nasty as a lamb) DE Dwight Freeney (my pick) S Ed Reed 2003 - #23 RB Willis McGahee (ok) TE Dallas Clark (yeah couldn't use him) (If we had Brees then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe and could have had S Troy Polamalu (imagine him and Reed as our safties :devil: ) 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat) 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady 2009 - #11 DE Aaron Maybin (Taking the fastest first step right out of here ) where do we begin Superstar OLB Clay Matthews, DE Brian Orakpo ,LB Brian Cushing 2010 - #9 RB CJ Spiller (BPA ) been over this plenty so short and quick; OT Brian Bulaga, DE Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB for us)C Maurkice Pouncey, QB Tim Tebow, Have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLSFAN Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 sure you are right and if I knew the lottery numbers every night I would make Ralph an offer he couldn't refuse but instead i picked the wrong ones! DAMN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Here are the misses we let go in the first round the past decade, now we can't hit homeruns every time but this will show how sad but true we did. 2000 - #26 DE Erik Flowers (this pick still makes me mad)LB Keith Bulluck 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo) 2002 - #4 OT Mike Williams ( knew this guy was a bum, big don't mean good, this guy was as nasty as a lamb) DE Dwight Freeney (my pick) S Ed Reed 2003 - #23 RB Willis McGahee (ok) TE Dallas Clark (yeah couldn't use him) (If we had Brees then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe and could have had S Troy Polamalu (imagine him and Reed as our safties :devil: ) 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat) 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady 2009 - #11 DE Aaron Maybin (Taking the fastest first step right out of here ) where do we begin Superstar OLB Clay Matthews, DE Brian Orakpo ,LB Brian Cushing 2010 - #9 RB CJ Spiller (BPA ) been over this plenty so short and quick; OT Brian Bulaga, DE Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB for us)C Maurkice Pouncey, QB Tim Tebow, Have at it. and pof course coaching has nothing and I mean nothing to do with success and failure of a NFL draft pick. It's all just who you are and where you were picked! can we please stop beating this dead horse to death again and again and again. Perhaps Ralph shouldn't have fired Bill way back in 92/93, or Wade Phillips which started a revolving door at the head coach position. But what's done is done, so move on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_franchise Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 You can always do 20-20 hindsight, of course. But what's remarkable is how many of those alternate picks where player the fans wanted ahead of time. I've been here a while: People wanted Bryant McKinnie, not Mike Williams. I remember a ton of talk about Vince Wilfork. Ngata was a slam dunk - perhaps the single most universally-agreed on draft option ever. And absolutely nobody wanted Maybin. This was an Orakpo joint. There are some moves you can't fault the team for - but when the fans are picking better than you, and especially when Mel Freaking Kiper has a better read on the talent than you do, there's a problem. Also, just once, in ten years, wouldn't it have been nice to remember a pick as a total steal? The only one even borderline is Nate Clements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Buffalo Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Here are the misses we let go in the first round the past decade, now we can't hit homeruns every time but this will show how sad but true we did. 2000 - #26 DE Erik Flowers (this pick still makes me mad)LB Keith Bulluck 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo) 2002 - #4 OT Mike Williams ( knew this guy was a bum, big don't mean good, this guy was as nasty as a lamb) DE Dwight Freeney (my pick) S Ed Reed 2003 - #23 RB Willis McGahee (ok) TE Dallas Clark (yeah couldn't use him) (If we had Brees then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe and could have had S Troy Polamalu (imagine him and Reed as our safties :devil: ) 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat) 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady 2009 - #11 DE Aaron Maybin (Taking the fastest first step right out of here ) where do we begin Superstar OLB Clay Matthews, DE Brian Orakpo ,LB Brian Cushing 2010 - #9 RB CJ Spiller (BPA ) been over this plenty so short and quick; OT Brian Bulaga, DE Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB for us)C Maurkice Pouncey, QB Tim Tebow, Have at it. It is so sad. I think about this same stuff almost every day. This year the one guy I am keeping an eye out for is QB Andy Dalton....He looked the best during the bowl games and is a four year starter who is use to winning.I think he is the best QB coming out and nobody talks about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnychemo Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 If we had taken Brees in 2001, do you think he'd still be here with his horrendous start? Do you think he would have developed at all given the revolving door coaching/coordinator situation we've had since thne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Here are the misses we let go in the first round the past decade, now we can't hit homeruns every time but this will show how sad but true we did. 2000 - #26 DE Erik Flowers (this pick still makes me mad)LB Keith Bulluck 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo) 2002 - #4 OT Mike Williams ( knew this guy was a bum, big don't mean good, this guy was as nasty as a lamb) DE Dwight Freeney (my pick) S Ed Reed 2003 - #23 RB Willis McGahee (ok) TE Dallas Clark (yeah couldn't use him) (If we had Brees then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe and could have had S Troy Polamalu (imagine him and Reed as our safties :devil: ) 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat) 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady 2009 - #11 DE Aaron Maybin (Taking the fastest first step right out of here ) where do we begin Superstar OLB Clay Matthews, DE Brian Orakpo ,LB Brian Cushing 2010 - #9 RB CJ Spiller (BPA ) been over this plenty so short and quick; OT Brian Bulaga, DE Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB for us)C Maurkice Pouncey, QB Tim Tebow, Have at it. The people who do the Bill's drafting seem to be hell bent on finding diamonds in the rough. Finding diamonds is great at pick 4-7 and free agency but for pick 1-3 it's pretty obvious as to who the best players are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glory Bound Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 and pof course coaching has nothing and I mean nothing to do with success and failure of a NFL draft pick. It's all just who you are and where you were picked! can we please stop beating this dead horse to death again and again and again. Perhaps Ralph shouldn't have fired Bill way back in 92/93, or Wade Phillips which started a revolving door at the head coach position. But what's done is done, so move on! Sadly, it's not a dead horse. As fans, we constantly live (& die) with the horrendous mistakes the Bills hierarchy make every April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Floored, absolutely floored. I'm turning in my Bills fan card. Back away from the edge just a little bit. Case can be made for every team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettle Creek Football Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 But let's say one of those picks happened, and the Bills had even one more win (or loss) that season! Then the next season the draft order would have been different which would have changed a lot of other teams' priorities/ picks. This is such a ridiculous thread. Why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob T from OP Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Here are the misses we let go in the first round the past decade, now we can't hit homeruns every time but this will show how sad but true we did. 2000 - #26 DE Erik Flowers (this pick still makes me mad)LB Keith Bulluck 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo) 2002 - #4 OT Mike Williams ( knew this guy was a bum, big don't mean good, this guy was as nasty as a lamb) DE Dwight Freeney (my pick) S Ed Reed 2003 - #23 RB Willis McGahee (ok) TE Dallas Clark (yeah couldn't use him) (If we had Brees then we wouldn't have traded for Bledsoe and could have had S Troy Polamalu (imagine him and Reed as our safties :devil: ) 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat) 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady 2009 - #11 DE Aaron Maybin (Taking the fastest first step right out of here ) where do we begin Superstar OLB Clay Matthews, DE Brian Orakpo ,LB Brian Cushing 2010 - #9 RB CJ Spiller (BPA ) been over this plenty so short and quick; OT Brian Bulaga, DE Jason Pierre-Paul (OLB for us)C Maurkice Pouncey, QB Tim Tebow, Have at it. Obviously the group @ One Bills Drive that were in charge of these drafts need to go find a new line of work. How many drafts does it take to figure out that do NOT know What the hell they are doing !!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 The problem is not just hindsight, but the utter lack of historical context to understand these choices. A few examples: 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo)—At the time, the Bills had Rob Johnson, and had just gone through a bruising QB controversy. No one at the time would have understood the decision to draft a QB. Actually, if I remember aright, the choice people pushed instead of Clements was Tra Thomas. 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat)—At the time, it was taken for true by pretty much every commentator that the Bills needed a speed WR to bail out an offense that had regressed so badly in 2003. 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins—This goes back to picking Losman, of course. It was already too late. 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions—Only whether you ever bother to spell names properly. 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis—Goodness gracious. Do you really think that drafting a CB would have been greeted with excitement anywhere in Bills-land? Again, the clear assumption, shared by many at the time, was that the Bills needed to improve their running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Northern Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Underappreciated screw up from Donahoe regime was using a pick that could have been used on Aaron Rodgers to draft JP Losman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yes, we could view it that way, but vince wilfork could have been the next Gerald warren and donte whitner could have been the next ed reed. I truly believe where a player starts his career makes a world of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 What about Losman and McCargo? You can add them to your list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis 2008 - #11 CB Leodis McKelvin (still waiting) OT Ryan Clady Wasting #12 overall on a running back, especially a stiff like Lynch is what bugs me the most. It was the result of getting rid of McGahee because he said cities like Miami and Toronto have more stuff to do than Buffalo .... duh, no kidding. Is there anyone in Buffalo that could make a case otherwise? Even with we didn't take Revis, we could have had Timmons or Beason at LB, both of whom tower over Posluszny, who we drafted in Rd2. Drafting is always somewhat of a crapshoot that cant be controlled, but we can control not over reacting to every comment made by a Bill. McCargo, not on your list, bothers me 2nd most because he was drafted several rounds ahead of where he was graded simply because of Marv's silly "high motor guy" philosophy. Edited January 21, 2011 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) The problem is not just hindsight, but the utter lack of historical context to understand these choices. A few examples: 2001 - #21 CB Nate Clements (not bad) QB Drew Brees (how long have we been replacing Jimbo)—At the time, the Bills had Rob Johnson, and had just gone through a bruising QB controversy. No one at the time would have understood the decision to draft a QB. Actually, if I remember aright, the choice people pushed instead of Clements was Tra Thomas. 2004 - #13 WR Lee Evans (surprisingly never made probowl) NT Vince Wolfork (was a beast in College and still is today, would have taken him in a heart beat)—At the time, it was taken for true by pretty much every commentator that the Bills needed a speed WR to bail out an offense that had regressed so badly in 2003. 2005 - pick went Dallas #20 could have had QB Aaron Rodgers or G Logan Mankins—This goes back to picking Losman, of course. It was already too late. 2006 - #8 S Donte Whitner DT Hiloti Ngati any questions—Only whether you ever bother to spell names properly. 2007 - #12 RB Marshawn Lynch CB Darrelle Revis—Goodness gracious. Do you really think that drafting a CB would have been greeted with excitement anywhere in Bills-land? Again, the clear assumption, shared by many at the time, was that the Bills needed to improve their running game. It was Kenyatta Walker, and the Bills traded down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY_oKve-bH0 "Do you know what a curse it is to have perfect 20/20 hindsight???" Edited January 21, 2011 by Ghost of Rob Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 http://drafthistory.com/teams/bills.html Any individual pick can be easily challenged either way, but when was the last time the Bills really made a great pick before the 5th round? We've had some success very late (Moats, Johnson, Bell, Williams), but 1-2-3-4: the Bills have almost never had a guy who really stood out beyond his draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 It was Kenyatta Walker, and the Bills traded down. Thanks Ghost. I could not remember who it was. I do remember TD making a joke about how the lineman would not have been able to score a touchdown after Clements returned a punt for a TD in his second game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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