GG Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 How well do they do their due diligence and vet the start ups now as compared to then. Having gone through the ringer, I'd say that the due diligence of start ups is still very strong. I'd say that part is debatable. OK, go ahead and debate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Since we have some knowledgeable Finance people on board and we are talking about the societal benefits of modern Wall Street maybe someone can answer a couple questions. What are the societal benefits of the following 1. High frequency trading and the related front running of orders 2. Credit default swaps which started off as insurance except without all those dull capital requirements but more importantly their function as bets on failure of financial instruments. 3.Allowing banks to arbitrage between the FED and Treasury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 Since we have some knowledgeable Finance people on board and we are talking about the societal benefits of modern Wall Street maybe someone can answer a couple questions. What are the societal benefits of the following 1. High frequency trading and the related front running of orders I don't see a real benefit here. 2. Credit default swaps which started off as insurance except without all those dull capital requirements but more importantly their function as bets on failure of financial instruments. The original intended purpose of CDS was fine, to hedge and offer protection for insurance purposes makes a lot of sense. It's the naked default swaps that I believe don't have any real purpose other than to speculate without actually owning the bond. 3.Allowing banks to arbitrage between the FED and Treasury. Efficiency, and just so you know there are 18 banks that are competing with one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 If I am to understand the role of insurance as the promise to make whole in return for a premium which is calculated by the size of the obligation and the perceived risk - and if the tax payers are in the end the insurer for the to big to fails- then where is the tax payers premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 (edited) If I am to understand the role of insurance as the promise to make whole in return for a premium which is calculated by the size of the obligation and the perceived risk - and if the tax payers are in the end the insurer for the to big to fails- then where is the tax payers premium. That's where the outrage lies. Goldman recieves huge sums from AIG, and AIG used taxpayer funds to pay out their obligations. Edited December 6, 2010 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Having gone through the ringer, I'd say that the due diligence of start ups is still very strong. It sure is from the perspective of this venture capital fund-raising CFO. That said, we live in a much more volatile world than we did decades ago, and the interconnectivity of all of us (financially, socially, etc) means business conditions can change for the worse (and better) in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Since we have some knowledgeable Finance people on board and we are talking about the societal benefits of modern Wall Street maybe someone can answer a couple questions. What are the societal benefits of the following 1. High frequency trading and the related front running of orders No problem with HFT; front running is illegal. 2. Credit default swaps which started off as insurance except without all those dull capital requirements but more importantly their function as bets on failure of financial instruments. As regulators are learning, it's hard to differentiate hedging CDS vs speculative CDS. Anyhoo, we haven't seen a case where CDS speculators sank a company even though the fear is there. Putting a formal clearinghouse in place will cure alot of CDS ills. 3.Allowing banks to arbitrage between the FED and Treasury. So what? It's their trading desks' job. Besides, define "bank" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Since we have some knowledgeable Finance people on board and we are talking about the societal benefits of modern Wall Street maybe someone can answer a couple questions. What are the societal benefits of the following 1. High frequency trading and the related front running of orders More efficient pricing across exchanges, leads to a more efficient market and fairer pricing for investors. And as GG Said...front-running is already illegal. 2. Credit default swaps which started off as insurance except without all those dull capital requirements but more importantly their function as bets on failure of financial instruments. Promote affordable home ownership - cheap credit in general, really, which spurs economic growth. 3.Allowing banks to arbitrage between the FED and Treasury. See #1. And I'm curious to know if you can properly define "arbitrage"... That said, we live in a much more volatile world than we did decades ago, and the interconnectivity of all of us (financially, socially, etc) means business conditions can change for the worse (and better) in a hurry. +1 [/Lehman Brothers] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 No. Don't really pay much attention to you, frankly. And I'm curious to know if you can properly define "arbitrage"... first you play hard to get but now your curious- I knew I could reel you in. more youtube for everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 (edited) The class warfare is coming from the top government and democrat strategists trying to force most of the pain on the rest of us--... fixed Edited December 7, 2010 by drinkTHEkoolaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 first you play hard to get but now your curious- I knew I could reel you in. Like it's some sort of secret that "stupid" gets my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Smith Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Ron Paul vs Ben Bernanke Be There!...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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