PushthePile Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 and his entire career-NCAA div 1 all time TD record holder, Dan Lefevour, why is it so hard just to give the guy a little credit, he played great in his time there, set all sorts of records, and basically was a key element in putting that program on the map. It's not hard to give the kid credit, he had a hell of a college career. I was just responding in agreement with the poster who said the senior bowl is useless. I also disagreed with the statement that he did more than Tim Tebow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 It's not hard to give the kid credit, he had a hell of a college career. I was just responding in agreement with the poster who said the senior bowl is useless. I also disagreed with the statement that he did more than Tim Tebow. I said he did more with less, tebow was surrounded by top level talent on both sides of the ball, not so much for Lefevour, if you wanna talk about "willing his team to win" DL did alot of that with virtually no supporting cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I said he did more with less, tebow was surrounded by top level talent on both sides of the ball, not so much for Lefevour, if you wanna talk about "willing his team to win" DL did alot of that with virtually no supporting cast. Tebow and and LeFevor are similar players and both of them are going to have NFL careers. Tebow is going to be drafted in the late first or second round and Lefevor is going to be drafted in the third or 4th round. I have no problem at all with The Bills taking Tebow in the second or Lefevor in the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I said he did more with less, tebow was surrounded by top level talent on both sides of the ball, not so much for Lefevour, if you wanna talk about "willing his team to win" DL did alot of that with virtually no supporting cast. Do you understand what "more with less" means? It implies his career surpassed Tebow's despite having less talent on his team. Lefevour had a nice career but he doesn't even approach TT's career, regardless of how you want stack up the talent level. Do you think the MAC is as competitive as the SEC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightClub Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 He was the best QB in the Senior Bowl. You know a game that features top college prospects. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/336393-...ners-and-losers I like gamers. Did you watch the Senior Bowl? Zac Robinson was clearly the best QB that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Chad Pennington has had a better career than any qb we've drafted since kelly So what? Pining away in hope of drafting the next Chad Pennington. Pathetic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Did you watch the Senior Bowl? Zac Robinson was clearly the best QB that day. Not really. http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=300303145 Lefevour accounted for 2 tds and 0 turnovers. Robinson had 1 td and 1 INT. Lefevour also had a higher ypa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 So what? Pining away in hope of drafting the next Chad Pennington. Pathetic! 1) Pennington is just a comparison. 2) Pennington was a damn good QB before he wrecked his shoulder. 3) It would a 3rd round draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Did you watch the Senior Bowl? Zac Robinson was clearly the best QB that day. You beat me to it. Zac had the best day for sure, unless you want to slice and dice statistics to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSixburgh Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 I didn't realize Lefevour was Canadian. That seals the deal for me! I developed a life long love of all things Canadian the first time I travelled to Fort Erie to watch The Canadian Ballet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Do you understand what "more with less" means? It implies his career surpassed Tebow's despite having less talent on his team. Lefevour had a nice career but he doesn't even approach TT's career, regardless of how you want stack up the talent level. Do you think the MAC is as competitive as the SEC? No the MAC clearly is not equivalent with the SEC, what I meant is that he had a just as successful a career (since the MAC doesnt get BCS bids) and he put up equivalent stats, but with less surrounding talent. Chris Leak won a Nat'l championship with all that talent surrounding him, I am absolutely sure that DL would've done the same had he gone to florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 You beat me to it. Zac had the best day for sure, unless you want to slice and dice statistics to death. What is slicing and dicing? Lefevour accounted for more touchdowns, less turnovers, and a high ypa. He just didn't have as many attempts as Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 What is slicing and dicing? Lefevour accounted for more touchdowns, less turnovers, and a high ypa. He just didn't have as many attempts as Robinson. He played in the MAC, which is Pop Warner compared to the SEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 He played in the MAC, which is Pop Warner compared to the SEC. yeah cause Roethlisburger clearly is not nearly as good as Jamarcus Russell Where he played is one of the worst arguements to make, how he played is much more relevant, and how he played was great, record breaking, and elite level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. ChumChums Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Todd McShay rips on Levefour, says he's the most overrated prospect in the draft, and believes that he's a 5th or 6th round talent. Makes the following points: - stiff upper body - inaccurate - no idea about the pro-style passing game - indecisive - doesn't think he's a good leader - won a lot of games at a middle level school http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5027351 Go to about the 5:45 mark where he begins on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthGeorgiaBillsFan Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 why, Lefevour did more with Less than tebow Are you referring to his team's substantially worse record against far inferior competition, or to the fact that he did not win the Heisman? I see the argument you are trying to make: the lack of quality players around him affected those things. But Tebow earned his accomplishments in a conference, that let's be honest, was FAR superior to anything Lefevour ever had to play against. Case in point: 2008 vs Georgia Bulldogs (which both played against and which had a good defense) Lefevour: 43 attempts, 23 completions, 250 yards, 53.5% completions, 5.8 ypa, 2 TDs, 1 int Tebow: 13 attempts, 10 completions, 154 yards, 76.9% completions, 11.8 ypa, 2 TDs, 0 int Also, just to drive the point home, final scores: CMU 17 UGA 56 UF 49 UGA 10 Now normally I'm not a huge fan of statistical analysis in these kinds of situations, but when you have an example like this against the exact same team in the same year, and with this kind of discrepancy in the statistics, its pretty hard to argue against. It also makes the point that when Tebow is ripping off 11.8 ypa, he is NOT dinking and dunking down the field in a short passing offense that inflates his stats, as some anti-Tebow/anti-logic sentiment on this board suggests (For the record, Tebow's career ypa at UF was a whopping 9.4 - Lefevour's was 7.3). 11.8 ypa is a flipping first down per attempt, which is SHREDDING the same defense that held mighty Lefevour and company to a meager 17 points. Conclusion: Tebow is the real deal. Lefevour is not worthy of cleaning the dirt of out Tebow's cleats. Disclaimer: this is my opinion which is backed by actual, real life FACTS. If you don't like it, post something more compelling. Where he played is one of the worst arguements to make, how he played is much more relevant, and how he played was great, record breaking, and elite level. Ahem. See above. Also look at the following college career statistics for each: ----------- rating att comp % yrds ypa TD INT TD:int Tebow 176.0 985 661 67.1 9286 9.4 88 15 5.9 Lefevo 142.9 1763 1171 66.4 12905 7.3 102 36 2.8 So ultimately, against far superior competition, Tebow was overwhelmingly superior statistically speaking (in every category in fact when you account for the difference in passing attempts - Lefevour had nearly twice as many attempts), and against the exact same competition, the above statistical analysis speaks for itself. Do you still want to continue this argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthGeorgiaBillsFan Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 What is slicing and dicing? Lefevour accounted for more touchdowns, less turnovers, and a high ypa. He just didn't have as many attempts as Robinson. You may want to look at my Tebow vs Lefevour statistics above, because if memory serves me correctly, you were one of those saying that Tebow was benefiting from a short passing oriented offense (which his career 9.4 yards per attempt pretty much debunks immediately, and is also 2 full YPA more than Lefevour). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightClub Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Not really. http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=300303145 Lefevour accounted for 2 tds and 0 turnovers. Robinson had 1 td and 1 INT. Lefevour also had a higher ypa. That's stats. Watching the game, Robinson looked most like a future NFL QB. Lefevour, I will admit, looked next best, but mainly because he's a gamer against that level of competition. You could see his arm was not an NFL arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 That's stats. Watching the game, Robinson looked most like a future NFL QB. Lefevour, I will admit, looked next best, but mainly because he's a gamer against that level of competition. You could see his arm was not an NFL arm. That's what meant about the stats too. When I was watching the game, I thought he looked the best. Yeah he threw a pick and Lefevour didn't, but so what? Robinson looked like a real NFL QB. Lefevour did too, but just no quite as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson from Gamehendge Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Practice in shorts is a lot different than playing in an actual game. Every game, inculding the Senior Bowl, DL shows up and produces. That, IMO, means a million times mor than how he looks throwing in shorts. If he can't throw well in shorts, in perfect weather...he sure as hell is not going to be able to throw in pads, with the weather that comes through Buffalo and the winds that the Ralph sees throughout the season. I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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