Dave_In_Norfolk Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Isn't that right? Johnson came in for the meaningless game against the...Colts? Or was it the Saints? Whatever, he threw for four TDs and Ralph demanded that Phillips play him in the playoff game. Is that true Ralph did that, or is that just a story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Yes, it was yet another Ralph mandate , Wade wanted to keep Flutie as starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 This is when the Flutie curse ends then! I think there is a 10 year maximum on curses by guys of Fluties stature. The curse is over! The curse is over! The curse is over! If we believe it's over it will end!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripes Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 It wasn't a meaningless game for Indy. They had to win to have a chance to win the No.1 seed over the Jaguars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Good move to put RJ in. Unlike Flutie, he did not fumble at the end of the playoff game at the goal line as Flutie did against the Dolphins. People seem to forget that one. In the end, we have the same problems that we had ten years ago - bad offensive line. At least with that team, we also had a good defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpcolosi Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Good move to put RJ in. Unlike Flutie, he did not fumble at the end of the playoff game at the goal line as Flutie did against the Dolphins. People seem to forget that one. In the end, we have the same problems that we had ten years ago - bad offensive line. At least with that team, we also had a good defense. correct. we also had a worse RB situation then we do now. oh super bowl winner antwain smith... And I still have never once heard validation that RW made Wade put him in or that wade wanted Flutie. Its always been people gossiping saying "well ralph gave him money, etc etc." If someone has factual evidence or a link I'd love to see it. Lets also not forget RJ led us on a game winning drive and won us a playoff game.....until we decided to lose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpcolosi Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 also - here's my link where Wade basically admits his mistake in choosing Rob over Flutie... ugh i miss flutie.... http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ers-Rob-Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Except that RJ wasted away the whole first half doing nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I wonder what would've happened if the Bills didn't have Flutie on the roster when RJ was here. The video link in this thread basically says he wasn't comfortable being #1, that he wasn't close with everyone on the team -- but I distinctly remember reading many articles and posts about Flutie trying to take over the locker room and cause the discourse. Without Flutie, what would RJ have done differently? Maybe nothing, especially with the injuries... But who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las Vegas Calling... Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 If I remember correctly, the game meant more to the Colts than the Bills. Johnson started in place of Flutie because the Bills traditionally rested the starters when the team had clinched either a playoff birth, or did not need to win any more games. Plus, Flutie's arm was getting tired. Johnson had a great game, and Ralph ordered Wade Philips to start Johnson. The thought process at the time was Johson had a cannon for an arm, was young, and "fit the mold for a qb in the NFL". I must admit that I was a Johnson supporter (even though I wanted Flutie to start againts the Titans) and my wife was a Flutie supporter. Boy was I wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 and Ralph ordered Wade Philips to start Johnson. That's been the speculation, but I don't think I've ever heard Ralph or Wade confirm it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 If I remember correctly, the game meant more to the Colts than the Bills. Johnson started in place of Flutie because the Bills traditionally rested the starters when the team had clinched either a playoff birth, or did not need to win any more games. Plus, Flutie's arm was getting tired. Johnson had a great game, and Ralph ordered Wade Philips to start Johnson. The thought process at the time was Johson had a cannon for an arm, was young, and "fit the mold for a qb in the NFL". I must admit that I was a Johnson supporter (even though I wanted Flutie to start againts the Titans) and my wife was a Flutie supporter. Boy was I wrong! No you weren't. Johnson had that playoff game won. It wasn't HIS fault noone could STAY IN THEIR FRICKING LANES!!! Oh, and it also wasn't his fault the refs BLEW an illegal foward lateral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripes Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 If I remember correctly, the game meant more to the Colts than the Bills. Johnson started in place of Flutie because the Bills traditionally rested the starters when the team had clinched either a playoff birth, or did not need to win any more games. Plus, Flutie's arm was getting tired. Johnson had a great game, and Ralph ordered Wade Philips to start Johnson. The thought process at the time was Johson had a cannon for an arm, was young, and "fit the mold for a qb in the NFL". I must admit that I was a Johnson supporter (even though I wanted Flutie to start againts the Titans) and my wife was a Flutie supporter. Boy was I wrong! But you're wife wasn't right either. Flutie was atrocious in losses vs. Seattle, the Jets, Raiders and Giants, where his turnovers and inaccuracy (he was 28th that year in completion percentage) cost us a playoff home game, and probably the division. Looking back, we were all like two kids arguing whether our ice cream needed asparagus or spinach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 But you're wife wasn't right either. Flutie was atrocious in losses vs. Seattle, the Jets, Raiders and Giants, where his turnovers and inaccuracy (he was 28th that year in completion percentage) cost us a playoff home game, and probably the division. Looking back, we were all like two kids arguing whether our ice cream needed asparagus or spinach. Word. I remember that Jets game, he was HORRIBLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Squirrel Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 but I distinctly remember reading many articles and posts about Flutie trying to take over the locker room and cause the discourse. I never, ever believed this, and frankly, an awful lot of what I heard about the state of the locker room was from the geniuses on this message board that are so gosh darned smart about how a QB should look, and who knew how all-fired important QB rating is (seemingly not knowing that sacks aren't a part of the equation.....or conveniently ignoring it). And the part about Wilson overruling Wade? Marcellus Wiley has stated this on ESPN about a thousand times. I think he probably knows something about this since he, Doug, and Wade all wound up together in SD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwchze Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 also - here's my link where Wade basically admits his mistake in choosing Rob over Flutie... ugh i miss flutie.... http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ers-Rob-Johnson Just watching that, boy could Rob ever through that ball.Cannon for an arm.but shiiiiiit for brains........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Just watching that, boy could Rob ever through that ball.Cannon for an arm.but shiiiiiit for brains........ Yeah, **** for brains for sure. Isn't he still the most sacked passer in NFL history per pass attempts? His stats were so important to him that he would rather take a sack than an incompletion. In fact I distinctly remember 3 times where he was outside the tackle box and could have thrown the ball away with no intentional grounding penalty but each time he ran out of bounds...for a loss of yardage. Such a team player. What a piece of crap Johnson was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Squirrel Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Yeah, **** for brains for sure. Isn't he still the most sacked passer in NFL history per pass attempts? His stats were so important to him that he would rather take a sack than an incompletion. In fact I distinctly remember 3 times where he was outside the tackle box and could have thrown the ball away with no intentional grounding penalty but each time he ran out of bounds...for a loss of yardage. Such a team player. What a piece of crap Johnson was. I was in the process of writing this same post. Darn you and your fast fingers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Philster Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Something I hadn't seen before, but apparently Ralph admitted he had a hand in the midget's benching http://www.billsdaily.com/weekinreview/2001/apr1.html Yeah, **** for brains for sure. Isn't he still the most sacked passer in NFL history per pass attempts? His stats were so important to him that he would rather take a sack than an incompletion. In fact I distinctly remember 3 times where he was outside the tackle box and could have thrown the ball away with no intentional grounding penalty but each time he ran out of bounds...for a loss of yardage. Such a team player. What a piece of crap Johnson was. actually, the reason why was that he was coached that way...as I recall, his college coach had told our new QBs coach in 2001 that he had drilled into him to try to make the big play....that, added into a lack of trust with his WRs, was Johnson's biggest downfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 actually, the reason why was that he was coached that way...as I recall, his college coach had told our new QBs coach in 2001 that he had drilled into him to try to make the big play....that, added into a lack of trust with his WRs, was Johnson's biggest downfall Philster, the reason why what? The reason he would prefer to take a sack rather than throw the ball away? Or the reason that he would rather run out of bounds for a loss of yardage rather than legally intentionally ground the pass? Nothing against you, but I'm not buying this excuse for his extreme suckitude. I later on remember his time in Tampa Bay and watching Gruden scream at him repeatedly for not throwing the ball away. Avoiding negative yardage is something good quarterbacks do with ease. It's not that hard to do. Especially when the rules allow it. A sack is a major drive killer. An incomplete pass? Not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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