starrymessenger Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 2005-Roscoe Parrish in the 2nd, the midget receiver, a few picks later, Vincent Jackson 6'5 Wr who had a ton of TDS in college and had a great combine. Another Donohoe gem. I think I just puked in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 This was a different front office than we have now...so what does this have to do with today? There are MANY NFL teams that can make this very same crap list of people they missed on. Secondly, we just had easily one of the 3 best drafts, if not the best draft of 2009...convenient how you left that off the list What??? If Byrd and Wood make the best draft in 2009, it was a VERY weak field. If Maybin pans out, a VERY big if, maybe it was top ten or even top 5. Otherwise a pretty pedestrian draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 7, 2009 Author Share Posted November 7, 2009 Wrong. It's not on the list because it's too EARLY to evaluate it. And too recent to have a huge impact on the field. How many rookie starters are you going to have in a year? And it obviously has not contributed to our past futility.2009 draft is irrelevant to our decade of futility. Not every team could compile a similar list of missed opportunities to build a winner. In case you haven't noticed, EVERY AFC team has at least made the playoffs this decade but one. Care to conjure a guess? We are in a rareified air of suckiness right now. Every team has the occasional miss, not year after year of directionless head-scratchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 We all like to rail on John Guy for his parade of free-agent bombs on One Bills Drive. Deservedly so:his track record is abysmal and it is amazing he is still employed. But while the right free agent additions can take a team to the "next level", it is an expensive proposition. The real separation from pretender to contender is made via the draft. A little glimpse into draft history reveals the reason for our Bills' seemingly perpetual wheel spinning of what is now surely a playoff free decade. We'll go back to 2000 up to the 2004 draft,first 3 players selected. That will leave out obvious oversights by nearly all teams (Tom Brady, etc) Some were just poor judgments of talent, character, or trades for players no longer here. The blunders are astounding in some cases, but this is why we have not even achieved mediocrity.CAPS =still w/Bills 2000 Bills selections #26 Erik Flowers ,#58 Travares tillman, #89 Corey Moore Passed on: Keith Bulluck (#30), Marvel Smith(#38) Anthony Becht(#27), Darwin Walker(#71) Na'il Diggs(#98) 2001 Bills selections #21 Nate Clements, #46 AARON SCHOBEL #58 Travis Henry Passed on: Ryan Pickett(#29) Reggie Wayne(#30) Todd Heap(#31) Drew Brees(#32) Matt Light(#48) 2002 Bills selections #4 Mike Williams, #36 JOSH REED, #61 RYAN DENNEY Passed on: Bryant McKinnie(#7)John Henderson(#9),Dwight Freeney (#11) Albert Haynesworth(#15) Charles Grant (#25)LeCharles Bentley(#44) 2003 Bills selections #13 to NE for D Bledsoe(Ty Warren), #23 Willis McGahee, #48 CHRIS KELSAY Could have had with 13th pick- Troy Polomalu (#16),Calvin Pace (#18)/Passed on: Dallas Clark (#24), Anquan Boldin (#54), Osi Umenyiora (#56) 2004 Bills selections: #13 LEE EVANS, #22 J.P. Losman,(#43 to Dallas/ Julius Jones) #74 Tim Anderson Passed on Tommie Harris (#14), Vince Wilfork(#21), Steven Jackson (#24), Benjamin Watson (#32),Jake Grove (#45),Max Starks (#75) You can compile a list of "who they passed on" for any pick in NFL history and come up with an impressive list. The question is whether the guys they DID pick did the job. 2000: Flowers and Moore, bad picks. Tillman, below average, but he's still in the league. 2001: Clements, Schobel and Henry were all excellent picks. 2002: Williams is an all-time low. Reed and Denney were both acceptable. 2003: Bledsoe looked like a decent pick, but he turned out to be too old. McGahee was solid, though obnoxious and Kelsay has played about like you'd expect a 3rd rounder to play, a starter but not particularly great. 2004: Lee Evans was a good pick, but hasn't been able to show it because of our lack of QBs and OLs. Losman was a bad pick, as was Anderson. But if you look further back in those drafts you find some real successes in later-round Bills picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 In addition to the clear desire to sign Winfield except cap circumstances intruded, I think few and now no one disagrees with the decision to not sign Clements to the biggest contract ever given to a defensive player that the market required for the 9ers to get him. There was some understandable whining that Marv should have not given away the right to tag him if we did not want to give him a huge deal, but not only has time proven that not signing him to a huge contract was the right move. but actually in the short term we gave up nothing in terms of $ for a year of relative peace. Greer also was a player who never really was good enough in his early years here to force his way into the starting line-up as several other Bills like McGee, Williams, and even Ellison have done. He also has been adequately replaced with FA signings like Drayton, so I think this was a good choice as well. I do not see clear signs nor has there been some declaration by the Bills of there being an absolute policy not to resign CBs. Actually, there are many who didn't like the decision to get rid of Clements. First because you're wrong, that contract had a very high final number, but only because people aren't reading the contract correctly. The last two years of that contract were way above possible value, and he'll either be cut or the contract re-negotiated. The 49ers won't actually pay that. As a 6 year contract, it wasn't tremendously high. Quite high, but that's what you pay for a good CB. Greer's early career is beside the point. The questions are 1) Was he worth what he got? And the answer is clearly that he is indeed worth it. And 2) Was he better than what we are using to replace him, and the answer again was yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 This was a different front office than we have now...so what does this have to do with today? There are MANY NFL teams that can make this very same crap list of people they missed on. Secondly, we just had easily one of the 3 best drafts, if not the best draft of 2009...convenient how you left that off the list Is this the draft where we took that guy that many(outside of the Big Ten hypnosis area) said was overrated... Aaron Maybin? I'd hate to think how bad we would have been had we not taken this guy and taken Brian Cushing ("The Pac-10 is soft ") or Brian Okrapo... (The Big 12 is overrated). Or how about Michael Oher; no we couldn't use a soon to be ProBowler on the O-Line. We took a player from the greatest college in the world, well when they play Akron or Bowling Green, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 This is what happens when you have ralph's daughter trying to pick good players and Failing to do so Ralph says your fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 This is what happens when you have ralph's daughter trying to pick good players and Failing to do so But you can finish out the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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