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I just wanted to bring this up again
#1 overall pick Jamarcus Russel
#22 overall pick Brady Quinn
#40 overall pick John Beck
#43 overall pick Drew Stanton
#92 overall pick Trent Edwards
#103 overall pick Isiah Stanback
#151 overall pick Jeff rowe
#174 overall pick Troy Smith
#205 overall pick Jordan Palmer
You forgot Kevin Kolb ,who was drafted by the Eagles in the second rd.
Romo not drated
Kyle Orton 4th rd.
Jake Delhomme not drafted
Jeff Garcia not drafted
Kurt Warner not drafted.
Marc Bulger 6 rd draft choice.
Matt Hasselback 6 rd.
Tom Brady 6 rd.
Derek Anderson 6 rd.
Sage Rosnfels 4th rd.
Matt Schaub 3rd rd.
David Garrard 4th rd.
Matt Cassel 7th rd. Some very good QBs drafted or not drafted after 3rd rd. Plus Brady Quinn will be starting this year for somebody. Teams are ready to offer Cleveland a first for him. Matt Millan was the only G.M. who thought Stanton was worth a second round draft choice.
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But he wasn't a first round pick. He was supposed to be developed slowly as we found out about Losman. Unfortunately, Losman got hurt and ultimately flopped and Edwards was threw into the fire. So for a 3rd round pick, he has be amazing. i really don't know many QBs that would succeed with our receiving core. Josh Reed is a great 33 receiver but a terrible #2 (one of the worst in the league). Robert Royal is a terrible starting TE and hurt the team more than he helped it.
Year 3 is the year that most players make the jump or fall on their faces. I have to assume the Bills will get the line sorted out and we will be able to fully judge TE because he finally has weapons. Additionally, I think it is very important to get a tight end to be Trent's security blanket (I'm huge fan of trading down and getting Pettigrew).
And if Trent decided to go to Cal, Michigan, or UCLA instead of Standford, he would have be a 1st rounder. http://www.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Spo...amp;pr_key=1949 But because he was a moron and cared about more than just football, his growth was stunted because the Cardinal were miserbale.
Amazing?, How about Cassel? Hasn't started since High school. Or Romo ,Warner and Garcia who weren't drafted, now that is amazing. QB drafted in the third round would be considered a good QB who would have a chance to start in the NFL.
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I guess you must have blocked out the Losman era.
Losman only got to play one full year and he started off slow that year, but looked good at the end of year. Than the following year we started off with two losts in a row and than gets hurt and looses his job to Edwards and after that every time he got a chance to start and we loose two games in a row he was benched. He did suck last year and I do understand why he is not here anymore. But so did Holcomb when he was here ,he get benched after two bad games in a row. Look at Edwards last year .Started off good than stank it up the rest of the year, didn't have to worry about loosing his job. And the teams we beat when he started all had lousy records. He should look good againts them.
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I'm with Dean on this. You win as a team, you lose as a team. Good football teams find ways to win, whether it's orchestrating a game winning drive, running out the clock, nailing a last second field goal, making a big stop on defense, or forcing a turnover.
Don't believe me? Just ask Jay Cutler. He threw for 4,500 yards. He had a great O-Line and great receivers but no defense to rely on. Naturally, they finished 8-8.
Mind you, having a good QB helps. A lot. But a QB needs a decent run game to counter balance the pass attack, he needs an O-Line to keep him on his feet and give him time to throw and he needs reliable receivers to run good routes, get open and make catches.
Trent has only played two seasons of football, with only one full offseason and one full regular season as a starter. He's gonna get better and be the answer at QB.
When we were 5-1 everyone was saying "he's the guy, he's the guy," and "we've found our QB," etc. He showed flashes, now if he can be more consistent, utilize his new weapons and have a reliable O-Line he will succeed.
We haven't had a good offensive line in the last 10 years, same with receivers. And I would say that the play calling has been pretty bad too. He showed flashes againts some pretty bad teams. He is also one of the first QBs at Buffalo in the last ten years that could have 5 bad games in a row and not worry about loosing his job. Seems like most QBs in Buffalo have 2 bad games in a row and get benched.
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You can say what you want about Big Ben, he can't hear you because his 2 SB rings are blocking his ears.
I like big Ben. Not afraid to take chances.
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I just quest that Garcia didn't like Owens, because of that. So there for he wouldn't want to play in Buffalo.Are you saying that Garcia is the one who has problems with Owens, and Owens has no ill feelings towards Garcia?I don't know everything that happened between these two guys, but considering the stupid things that Owens said about Garcia, I would'nt blame Garcia for hating Owens.
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But he wasn't a first round pick. He was supposed to be developed slowly as we found out about Losman. Unfortunately, Losman got hurt and ultimately flopped and Edwards was threw into the fire. So for a 3rd round pick, he has be amazing. i really don't know many QBs that would succeed with our receiving core. Josh Reed is a great 33 receiver but a terrible #2 (one of the worst in the league). Robert Royal is a terrible starting TE and hurt the team more than he helped it.
Year 3 is the year that most players make the jump or fall on their faces. I have to assume the Bills will get the line sorted out and we will be able to fully judge TE because he finally has weapons. Additionally, I think it is very important to get a tight end to be Trent's security blanket (I'm huge fan of trading down and getting Pettigrew).
And if Trent decided to go to Cal, Michigan, or UCLA instead of Standford, he would have be a 1st rounder. http://www.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Spo...amp;pr_key=1949 But because he was a moron and cared about more than just football, his growth was stunted because the Cardinal were miserbale.
Before Tom Brady got Moss and Walker he didn't have great recievers .
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Wow. I'm agreeing with the Dawgg. But he's right. Some guys are better at making the plays that win games than others. When bledsoe got replace by Brady, Bledsoe was a far superior statistical QB than Brady. However, Brady managed the game and didn't take the negative plays (sacks/ turnovers) that DB did.
And I apologize in advance for bringing him up, but that is the problem with Losman. He has all the tools but takes negative plays at the worst times. Edwards, while not possessing the athleticism of JP, is better at making the plays that win games.
however, a valid concern of this is that Trent is too smart and careful. It may realize in him getting gun shy if he makes a mistake (the Cleveland game, though I was at the game and somehow missed every INT he threw). He needs to realize that making a bad paly happens and to have a short term memory.
Big Ben take alot of sacks and he has alot of turnovers
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so if you agree y did u mention his record in the op?
I'm sorry I wrote that. I hear people say that alot about Edwards win and lost record. They said that alot when there was rumers about Cutler, saying they didn't want Cutler because he had a losting record. I would take Cutler anyday over Edwards. The reason Denver didn't have a winning record was because they had one of the worst defense in football. But if you read those forums about Culter alot people use win ,lost record as why edwards is better. Thats why I wrote about the records of the teams we beat. I think we should've beaten those teams with the win and lost record those teams had.
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QBs don't have WL records, teams do, so do coaches.
Check it out in the stats section of NFL.com
I agree with you, but there are alot people who think it's other way.
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If Trent Edwards was a first rd draft choice would you consider him to be a bust? I know people say that he has a winning record. Did you ever check the win and lost record of the teams that he won againts. He has a 12 and 11 record as a starter , but the teams that he won againts the last two years have a win and lost record of 57 wins and 135 lost. I'm glad he won those games, but he should've won those games. The way he played after that great start, scares me. I would feel better about our QB position if Leftwich would sign with us. Its a shame that Garcia hates Owens because he would've been the best QB for this team.
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If the Bills do nothing to change their game plan, and make the same play calls, at critical moments, I think TO will experience a drastic downturn in his TD numbers. Of course, I expect (more like "hope") the Bills will maximize the addition of TO (and hopefully a good Tight End) and change their approach. A change in offense, coupled with TO as a target, might help increase Trent's confidence and willingness to throw the damn ball downfield. If so, I think Trent is capable of tossing some TD passes.
If your QB doesn't have confidence in his arm, he shouldn't be starting.
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Explain to me then why Lee Evans is making 9 million dollars a year and considered to be one of the best WRs in the game and yet has averaged 59 catches for 900 yards and 4 TDs a year the last two years, which are VERY pedestrian numbers.
Good players make plays, right? Great players make a LOT of plays I would imagine.
Trent Edwards is our QB. Edwards doesn't throw TDs. Watch how many TDs Owens has this year.
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How about we trade Peters to Bengals for there first and third and than also do the trade with Detroit .Use the draft choice from Bengals for OT Monroe and then used the other picks to fix other spots plus we still will have a third round draft choice and get a good young cheaper left tackle who would be happy to be here.I really don't want to trade Peters but if he wants to hold out every year,he isn't helping the team. And they say that Monroe is a good pass blocker.
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I'm personally not sold on Cutler.....and wonder why, if he is soooo good, that the Broncos were even considering getting rid of him. To spend draft picks & commit to Cutler via a massive contract is not what I want to see the Bills do. Knowing the Bills luck, if we made a trade, Cutler would end up looking like JPL & TE would improve over in Denver and end up looking like a Manning.
The coach is the only one that wants to trade hime. The owner and if you watch the nfl network , the fans want him there. Even if you liston to the reporters on nfl network, they think Denver would be nuts to trade him and also say that they have to trade him know because Cutler wouldn't play for that coach.They blame the coach. They think he is one of the top ten QBs in the nfl.
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At the time, there were plenty Bills fans excited over his improvement.
Not many are saying that the QB play has been good enough from TE......in fact similar things are being said about him as were said about JPL at a similar stage of his career.....and that is he needs time to develop before we know if he will/won't become a good QB.
How long do we give him to develope? He really looked bad second half of the year.Look like he had no confendence in himself. Whats going to happen the first time Owens gets in his face? That will happen as soon as Edwards starts checking down and we are kicking FG instead of TDs.
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So Losman improved, and then crashed and burned. So...now we should hope that young quarterbacks DON'T improve?
Is that your point here?
I'm sorry, I forgot how everybody hated that guy. I think thats the first time I heard anybody say that he showed improvement. We still have the same win and lost record the last two years as we did in 2006 except its not the QB fault anymore. I can't believe that people would rather have Edwards than Cutler.And I think if Peters comes to camp we will see the best left tacle in football.
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Really?
You must have a strange stat site you look at......it obviously shows only a few of the stats(those being the ones where TE regressed in).
From year 1 to year 2.....
QBR up from 70.4 to 85.4
YPA up from 6.06 to 7.22
TD% up from 2.6 to 2.9
INT% down from 3.0 to 2.7
Yep....no improvement there at all.
Losman from 2005 to 2006
QBR up from 64.9 to 84.9
YPA up from 5.9 to 7.1
TD% up from 3.5 to 4.4
INT% down from 3.5 to 3.3
lost job after two games of 2007 , considered a bust . Got all stats from nfl stats.com
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As Far as Edwards regressing last year, the statistics don't bear out your statement. As a whole, Edwards vastly improved last year in every statistical category. He has tremendous upside and with receivers on both sides of the field this year he will only get better this season. And please note, Edwards has not started 25 games yet. He has only started twenty. Let's see what he looks like over the first seven or eight games this year before we run him out of town. Continuity means a lot in the NFL. This year we finally have it. If Buffalo can't get to the playoffs this year, then we'll have to make some changes with the coaching staff and perhaps at QB too.
He has 23 games started. 7 tds his rookie year in 9 starts and 11 tds in 14 starts his second year. 4 fumbles his rookie year and 9 fumbles his second year. He was sacked 12 times his rookie year and 23 sacks his second year. I think no improvement in two years.
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I fully agree with this. Imo, Dockery was about average, at too big of a cost and too little effort. That said, Dibs is right. I will take it a step further and say that many are even all too ready to trade draft picks as well. Edwards and a #11 for Cutler? This is simply insane.
Jmo.
I remember people say that 25 games started ,you should be able to tell how good your qb should be .Long enough they said. Well how many games did Edwards start? Plus he is injury prone. And you look he has gotten worse as the season went on both years as a starter. After our 5 and 1 start, he was the worse QB in football. Losman was blamed for every bad game that we had, but when Edwards looses its because of coaches and offensive line,everything but him. the guy showed promise his rookie year but he didn't show me any improvement his second year as a starter and that worries me. And you can't look at a win and lost record and judge a QB. Because your Qb could have a winning drive and the other team could score on your defense with a minute to go on a last second FG and that would count as a lost to the starting QB or the backup QB could come in and score the winning TD and it would count as a win for guy who started. I think we would be a better team with Cutler than Edwards. If Edwards starts this year I hope he shows more improvement than he did his second year as a starter. He has the recievers and if they keep Peters a good left tackle to protect him.
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I want to know where the idea of finding a quality LT is sooooo hard came from? All you have to do is draft one early and it seems like 90+% chance you are set. The Broncos got a Pro Bowl caliber LT last year at 12, why cant the Bills get one this year at 11? All of the tackles taken in the first last year, aside from the Lions kid who was injured, started and played well at LT. There are 4 top tackles this year, and a few more that are second half of rd 1 guys, if Peters is traded I am not worried about finding a replacement, hell Id be ok with Chambers.
How about we trade Our QB and left tackle to Denver for there starting QB and starting left tackle . That way we could fix other problems on our team instead of using draft choice on left tackle. We get a good young left tackle plus decent QB, And they get Peters and to some people good young QB.
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I say trade Peters and Edwards to Denver for Culter and there left tackle Ryan Clady, who was a rookie last year.Clady is a good young left tackle.
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Edwards last eight games as a starter in his first full year as a starter. 2 wins 6 lost, 5 tds and 8 int. First 6 games 5 wins 1 lost, 5 tds and 2 int. It looks like when the weather gets colder Edwards get worse. He did the same thing when he was a rookie. I know that everybody hates Losman but his only year as a starter, his last nine games 5 wins and 4 losts, 13 tds and 8 int. both years we were 7 and 9. Losman first seven games 2 wins and 5 lost, 6 tds 6 int. If Edwards plays bad his first two games this year, should we bench him? He will have 25 starts to his credit, Everybody wanted Losman bench after 26 starts saying he had enough time. This is why I think we would be better with Cutler because a strong arm would be better in cold weather than a noodle arm.And why are people already writing off Edwards? He's only played 1.5 regular seasons, last year was his first full season to start and he didn't screw it up like J.P. or Bledsoe or dare I say RJ. And no I'm not writing him off because I think he has more composure and maturity than Cutler. -
How many tds did he throw? you can't win when your kicking fgs and they are scoring tds.Big Ben got sack alot last year and they went to the superbowl.Kurt Warner fumbles alot .Maybe they should check down more .If your scenario is true, 3yd pass with a 6yd run, as the average checkdown pass for Trent, how is that too much. Are those seven WR Screens the Patriots run every game to get eight or nine yards too many. You know, the ones where they throw it to Welker and he scoots out of bounds for eight or nine yards?Moving the ball is moving the ball. I don't care if they check down and are the most boring offense on the planet, as long as it moves the chains and scores points. The latter part is the problem. Note our poor redzone conversion percentage last year. Lots of teams have flashy plays all the time, but they don't go anywhere either. The Bills need to take more chances down the field. No question, but can we please stop with the argument that he checks down too often. If you look down field, and the guy isn't open on when you make the read, you can't hold onto him forever. Better he get rid of the ball and make a positive play, than take a sack for a fumble that leads to the game winning TD for the other team like JP I-Can't-Get-A-Contract-With-Anyone-Losman.
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I quest Losman wasn't that bad, he only had one legit receiver threat.ha,ha,ha.