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How many int. did Romo throw againts us last year?Did it stop him from throwing down field?That was Romo's second year as a starter.If Edwards wants to be a good QB,he better forget those mistake and keep throwing.Our coach should be talking to him in the sideline as soon as he is off the field and telling him not to worry and keep trying.he definitely wasn't going to throw one of those long come back or jump ball type passes to Evans that could be picked off. not with 3 previous picks rattling around in his head.... -
Losman could be a good starter.All some team has to do is go with his strenghs.I brought this up before,but other teams adjusted to the Qb.Look at Chiefs and what they did with Thigpen,They adjusted they're offense with what he did in college.Also the Bears with Orton'they added plays that he had at Purdue and look what has happen to him,a better QB .I think that's more his pace, he'll never make it in the NFL.I'd be suprised to see an NFL team sign Losman to begin with.
He still young and it doesn't matter what anybody says TheKing doesn't like him.In 2006 with with better talent Tom Brady Stats.61%com.pct.220.6 yrds.gm.24tds and that with 100more att.Losman 62.5%com.pct.190.7yds.gm.19 t.d.s also BradysQB rating87.9 and Losman84.9.I'm not saying Losman is Brady but his stat wasn't to bad in 2006.Yes we only had 7 wins.But we haven't been any better .We are still average,except know it isn't the QB fault.
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Yea,look at Edwards,Must be our coaches.Didn't some HOF coach tell us to pick him?He not getting any better under our coaches we have know.We know that is probably not true because he failed under multiple coaches.Losman is the common denominator
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Look at K.C.Chiefs they change they're offense to the same offense Thigpen played in college and look how he played the last couple weeks.Also look at Kyle Orton,Chicago added some of Purdues plays to they're gameplan,spread offense to make Orton more comfortable with the offense.Orton looks like a differant QB.Why can't Buffalo do the same?If he say landed with Vikings...slightly tweaking the offense philosophy to Maxout on JP's strengths...Alot of people on this board will be eating crow -
Moulds was let go after 2005 season.When Losman started the whole 2006 season Pearless Price was our no 2 reciever.He was the one who catched the winning T.D. againts Houston back in the endzone.JP had Evans, Moulds, and Campbell. Trent has Evans, Reed/Hardy, and Royal. Evans in 2005 was ok, better than Reed/Hardy, and Moulds is better than Evans or Reed/Hardy/Johnson, and Campbell is better than Royal. -
Losman had a good season in 2006,and that was without being able to change the play. Know look at Edwards ,he is able to change the play and still does a running play when they have 8 in the box.Why isn't he changing the play at the line when he see that?You must have been watching someting different than I was.Lostman cost fairchild his job.
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I think our third string QB could've done better.Its going to be a long season.The coaches should have been able to quickly realize last night that after the 3 picks, Edwards was playing scared. He basically threw it to Lynch for the rest of the game. They should have realized that his lack of confidence was holding back the team. You have a guy on the bench who plays with a lot of confidence in a game where it's do or die to keep pace in the division. Problem is, this head coach doesn't mind an overly cautious jittery QB who wants to make the safest play on every snap. Keeps this coach in the comfort zone too.What JP may have done last night was get the Bills in the end zone once more in the second half which would have won them the game. Trent was not playing in a fashion to do that. Only a superhuman effort by Lynch and McKelvin kept it close. Just a bit more from the QB would have made a difference and instead of sitting Trent down and coaching him through the bad stuff this week at 6-4, they're doing it at 5-5. Sure, no guarantee that JP would have won it but when Jaworski can sit in the booth and comment on multiple plays that Edwards is missing open receivers and not even looking at them, you have to assume the coaches know that too. They chose to do nothing. The Bills lost. Edwards was not playing winning football last night. Evans leaving the locker room abruptly says it all.
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We won 5 games in 2005 and 7 wins 2007 with him starting the whole season.2 games improvement.Year 2008 with Losman playing the good teams and Edwards playing bad"according to winning percentage of opp." we won 7 games.No improvement in wins.This year with an easier schedule,we will be lucky to win as many games as last year.You guys put down Losman but look at his production from 2005 to 2006,He showed improvement in every category like T.D.s ,com. pct .,yards and also wins. I don't know about you but that shows me he was getting better.Look at Edwards first year as a starter and his second year as a starter.Is he getting better?Losman was benched in 2007 after two games that we lost that were considered good teams.And he was 26 years old.Edwards has how many bad games and not showing any improvement,he is only a year younger than Losman was when he lost his job.Losman wins games???
Face it, Edwards has sucked but still needs a season to see how much he fully sucks. Losman has had 3 seasons of sucking. He sucks, plain and simple, no matter how many excuses his fans have for him.
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I watching the Bears playing the Packers and the said that the Bears have put plays in they're gameplan that Orton used at Purdue to make him feel more comfort when he is playing.I also heard the same thing about the Chiefs with Thigpin,running the same offense he ran in college.That is the differance in why those two QBs are playing better this year.I think Edwards played in a westcoast offense in college thats why he looks good with the short passes.Isn't that what we run in Buffalo?
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Spikes last played a full season with Buffalo in 2004.He was hurt the next year, only played 3 games.He wasn't the same after that.I would've taken that defense too.Pretty much the same team better results..In fact I would take Our defense of fletcher and spikes over these guys..Our wr's are less than what Jp had to work with no doubt.So whats the excuse now..Our tight end is better now..LOL..Give it up its no contest.. -
How many games did Elli play in his five years in the leaque.He was a productive qb his whole career?If he was drafted by Buffalo five years ago,he would've been considered a bust.Our coach would've bench him and we would be talking about Edwards vs Manning.Archie would've made Buffalo trade him.Eli huh?That reminds me...
Do you know that he is another QB that the Losman crew was favorably comparing JP to?
But now reality come into play.
Like the one poster said, it is real a shame we cannot dig up those posts to have these big mouths eat their humble pie.
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Losman only threw the ball 16 times.How many yards do you think he should have ? Edwards has come along at the right time ,Because look at the last four years .We been rebuilding this team.Getting rid of the old overpaid players and drafting younger players.Look at our record the last four years.5 wins in 2005 ,7 wins in 2006 , 7 wins in 2007 and know 5 wins halfway through the season.Every year getting better talent so more wins.Losman first year that he started 5 wins,second year 7 wins.That is a improvement.So what I'm trying to say is we are not better because of Losman or Edwards ,it's because our overall talent is Better.I thnk Edwards would not have done any better with the talent we had back then.And I still think we are a year away.Edwards is going to get better as talent around him gets better.Also if you go back and look at Losmans games in 2006 ,you will see that those games that he had lest than 200 yds,he would only have12 attempts or he would have a game like 28 att .and com.21 for 75% for only169 yards.That would be because Fairchield would call alot of short passes.Alot of those games he would only have between 12 to 18 attempts.that is not his fault if they don't throw the ball more.The excuses never cease to amaze meAnother classic..If..If JP hadnt choked on the two minute drive ..Blah Blah Blah
Stop the insanity now please
Youre giving him too much credit
Dean if JP said what he wanted to he would maybe cost himself a second chance a t a starting job in the NFL..Dont call him a choir boy yet..Lets see what happens when he leaves.I got a feeling we will see a different side..
I would but I saw enough of the 200 and under passing games from JP to realize you dont win many games like that...
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I think if we won a game and Edwards threw 137 yds and 2 t.d.s on 9 com.we all be happy.Because I'm a Bills fan first.Thats more than 10 yds a com.Why would you be unhappy with that?I wasn't saying Trent was so great his rookie now was I? I was pointing out Losman wasn't so great in the example cited.You would have made a point if I was saying Trent was great in the Dallas game, but I wasn't. Trent was definitely part of the reason we lost that game. The point is I'm a fan of a team and can stay objective. It's a neat hobby, you should try it.
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2006 first half average 15.5 points a game and second half 22 points a game. If I remember correctly we open it up the second half .Also I know we lost 9 games that year but we lost to N.E by 2 points.Det by 3 points,Ind. the Superbowl champs by 1 point,S.D. by 3 and Tenn. by 1 point.If Royal kept both feet in bounds in the endzone againts Tenn. we might be in the playoffs.In 2006 with JP Losman as starting QB (in his 3rd season), the Bills average 266 yards per game (30th in the NFL, http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?arc...e&Submit=Go ) and 18.8 points/game (23th, http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?off...mp;d-447263-p=1 )In 2008 with Trent Edwards as starting QB (in his 2nd season), the Bills averaged 303.8 yards/game (24th, http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?off...mp;d-447263-p=1 ) and 21.3 points/game (21st, http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?off...mp;d-447263-p=1 ).
Though I think he will, I obviously can't be 100% sure Edwards is the franchise QB we need. However, I know for sure the JP Losman isn't. Please stop this idiocy.
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We are only in the 10th game of the season.Lets wait till the end of the season,because that average has been dropping the last three games.In 2006 with JP Losman as starting QB (in his 3rd season), the Bills average 266 yards per game (30th in the NFL, http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?arc...e&Submit=Go ) and 18.8 points/game (23th, http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?off...mp;d-447263-p=1 )In 2008 with Trent Edwards as starting QB (in his 2nd season), the Bills averaged 303.8 yards/game (24th, http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?off...mp;d-447263-p=1 ) and 21.3 points/game (21st, http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?off...mp;d-447263-p=1 ).
Though I think he will, I obviously can't be 100% sure Edwards is the franchise QB we need. However, I know for sure the JP Losman isn't. Please stop this idiocy.
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Kind of like the Dallas game last year.How many interception did Romo throw? How many T.Ds did the defense score?And some how it end up being the defense fault that we lost.How many points did our offense score?It was Losman's 2nd year, not his rookie year. Your rookie year is not the year you start, but the year you get drafted. 2nd, Trent Green threw 3 picks that game, Holcomb threw 4 for 6 for 25 yards and Losman came in and went 9 for 16 for 137 yards. Yes, I know he threw 2 TDs, but those numbers suck. Imagine Trent with 137 yards or the combined total of 185 yards while the D got 3 INTs? This board would be asking what is problem is and why we didn't score more than 14 points.Last time I checked I would take Evans, Moulds, and Campell for Evans, Parrish, and Royal. Losman sucks, always has, and I don't know if always will, but the odds are against him ever starting with his mental process of the game. There is only one game where I watched him be dominant as a QB and really "win" a game, and that was the Cinci game last year. He looked like an NFL QB for one game. He's not consistent enough to consider him a starter.
Trent is heads and shoulders above JP, and it's not even close.
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if you are older than 10 and you have not been out of the country the last 4 years then you definitely have issues. concerning QB play in this league you are definitely clueless to make a statement that JP should be a starter anywhere in this league.
i have been one JP's biggest supporters however he simply does not have what it takes between his ears to play in this league. i will bet you my first child that he does not have a starting job in the league next year when he leaves. I'll even take it one step further he may not even be in the league next year if he is he will be some teams third stringer.
Edwards plays good againts weaker teams and bad againt good teams.He was lucky last year that Losman played most of the good teams witch makes Edwards record misleading.You look at the overall records of the teams that he started againts ,it below .500 record.Everybody talks about his supporting cast but Edwards has a better supporting cast than Losman ever had ,plus you think this offensive line is bad ,it is actully better than we had for a while.But everybody blamed the qb before fore holding on to the football to long.
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I think he has the longest td throw.At least Trent holds ONE significant all time team record for a game in his first 1 1/2 years. Can JP say the same over the course of his first 4 plus seasons?GO BILLS!!!
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Losman was a young qb when he lost his job and is still young.Yep I agree with this. We could not run Gilbride out of here fast enough, well he is doing a pretty good job with the Giants. Far be it for me to defend Fairchild could it possibly be he was not as dumb as everybody thought he was due to the fact that he was basically calling an offense with one hand tied behind his back because his qb options were a rookie 3rd rnd pick & a QB that still can not read a defense? Schonert is taking alot of the blame but you know what the players got to execute. Edwards hits Evans in stride instead of throwing it 3 yrds behind him Lee probably takes that in for 6. Is that Turk's fault that Edwards did not execute?As far as Trent is concerned, everybody should of known he was going to have some rough moments this year. All young qbs do. He is going to be okay,. he just has to start playing more consistently. No running game is hurting him also.
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Look who Losman started againts last year and look who Edwards started againts .Since Edwards been here Teams record that he started agaits 90 wins 120 looses ,Losman teams he started againts73 wins 47 looses.Maybe Edwards record misleading.at age 25 trent edwards has a over .500 winning pct. At age 27 JP Losman does not. What is wrong here?
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I agree with you,We should stick with Edwards and let him work through his problems.Its funny that after 24 starts people were ready to let Losman go after having a decent season in 2006 with worst talent than we have now.Than he has two bad games witch I think the whole team sucked againts two good teams and gets hurt and looses his job.Edwards has three bad games in a row and does alot of the same things that people complain about Losman.And its because of bad line play .no running game.Lack of recievers and poor play calling.I just want to know ,if Edwards put up the same numbers as Losman had in 2006 and we don"t make the the playoffs .Would you consider he had a good year?He will have the same amount of starts as Losman had after 2006.Losman started 8 games the year before.The only time the line has been "half way decent" in recent years was last year. Which seasons were these mythical "half way decent" lines that you speak of?That being said anybody calling for Losman at this point needs their heads checked. You can't complain about JP getting jerked around during his career and then propose that the team does the same thing to Edwards. Sink or swim Edwards needs to be given a few seasons to see what he's got.
I heard Francesca on the radio last week say something to the effect of, "you don't know how good a QB will be until he struggles. Every QB will eventually struggle and the good ones fight their way through it and emerge on the other side better for it. The bad ones sink and eventually get replaced." We'll see what kind of QB Edwards turns out to be - I have a feeling he'll be okay.
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I think you should wait untill the end of this year after Edwards starts 16 games.Because those stats were really Losmans first year as a starter, he only played eight games that year.then he played 16 games the following year.And if you look you will see that every stat got better that year .He showed more improvement than any QB in the League.He always been a slow starter if you look at his time here. The problem is he was always bench when he had a bad game or two,except that one year.Edwards will be lucky enough to be able to work through his bad games and not woory about being benched.And that will help his develpment.How about the numbers from their second years, since the same number of games have been played. Which line is Trent's and which is Losman's?from nfl.com
The underscores are an attempt to get everything to line up better.
G Att_Comp_Pct__Att/G_Yds___Avg_Yds/G_TD_TD%_Int_Int%_Lng_20+_40+_Sck_SckY_Rate
9 245_164__66.9_27.2_1,845_7.5__205___7__2.9__7__2.9__49__25__3__20__125__86.9
9 228_113__49.6_25.3_1,340_5.9__148.9__8__3.5__8__3.5__58__15__6__26__197__64.9
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How come he isn't changing the running play into a pass play when they have seven in the box?Is he allowed to change the play or don't they trust him?Maybe they don't think he's smart enough."just kidding"
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I agree. He deserves another 4 1/2 years at least to win another 10 games.
It didn't take you long at all to return to the one you adore more than the team itself.
Look at the Bears,everybody thought Kyle Orton $ucked but he turn his game around.
Not one pass to Evans..... Any explanation?
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