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    Trading down from 32 to 33 may have been a dumber move than trading down to help the Chiefs!

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    1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

     

    A 6th for a 5th makes it sound like nothing. It was pick 200 for pick 141. Moving up 59 slots is a pretty good get for moving down one pick.

     

    For me, it was especially painful that Carolina took Legette with that pick because he was my guy. But the trade in and of itself was good value.

     

    Yeah it's pick 1 in round 5 for like pick 28 in round 6.

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

    In a strong yr in the draft for Wrs u don't do that. 

     

    Trade for one and draft one. Nobody they pick now is walking in and being a #1 WR this year. Even if they drafted BTJ, he might not have even been a #1 WR.

     

    The only surefire #1 WRs in the draft were the top 3.

     

    Lots of slot WRs and guys with a lot of potential 2 and 3 WR capabilities, but we already have those.

    Trading down from 32 to 33 may have been a dumber move than trading down to help the Chiefs!

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    22 minutes ago, Special K said:

    Let me start by saying I love Beane, but this move was a real head-scratcher to me.

     

    Aside from the fact that the trade was with KC, the concept of the first trade down made sense....picking up a 3rd round pick was certainly a priority for the Bills and they accomplished that.

     

    However, moving from 32 to 33 for yet another 5th round pick doesn't make sense due to the fact that you lose the 5th year option you get with 1st round players.

     

    Why not just take the guy you want at 32 and have that 5th year option?

     

    Unfortunately, the only way this move makes sense is if they are planning to trade down once again from 33......probably for 5th round picks in 2027 and 2028🙄

     

    5th year option isn't a big deal unless it's a QB. You can simply work out an extension after year 3 if you want.

     

    I think this move is a move in the bigger picture of things than just this draft. I expect something big is in the works.

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    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    3 minutes ago, jwhit34 said:

    Comparison of the Bills picks at beginning of the draft and now:

     

    Original

    28, 60, 128, 133, 144, 160, 163, 200, 204, 248

     

    Now

    33, 60, 95, 128, 141, 144, 160, 163, 204, 221

     

    Analysis:

    Picks retained: 60, 128, 144, 160, 163, 204

     

    Trade down from 28 to 33 (-5)

     

    Trade up from:

    133 to 95  (+38)

    200 to 141 (+59)

    248 to 221  (+27)

     

    That's good maneuvering presuming that their WR is still available.

     

     

     

     

     

    I'm not even sure they are taking one. I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade down again or trade the pick for a WR on a roster already.

     

    Or take Cooper Dejean.

    Interesting Stat: QB's with most INT's thrown that got nullified by penalty

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    4 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

    That one against the Jets last year was so obvious. The call was ticky-tack and the INT was game-clinching for the Jets. I don't think that it's conspiracy. I think that the refs are just in awe of his greatness and subconsciously help him out. NBA stars benefit from this all the time.  

     

    The one in the Raiders game was pretty bad as well...still ended up losing tho and he already had thrown a pick 6 earlier.

    Brand Beane Press Conf 4/18

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    1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:


    Did you listen to the full interview?  Based on your comments it doesn’t sound like it because if you did you would know he didn’t discuss anything that gives away, or even suggests, their strategy and plans.  Nothing about that his interview was strategic in that type of nature.  

     

    Ever watch SwordFish?  What does Travolta's character say about how Houdini was able to captivate audiences without them being able to ever detect anything as to how he was able to do his tricks?

     

    Misdirection.

     

     

    The Dark Horse WR on the Roster (Beane made reference to guys on the roster elevating their play)

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    13 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

    I mean to me it sounds like he's talking about Khalil Shakir. I know thats not the greatest example but I think they are expecting huge things out of him. My next best guess would be Justin Shorter since Shorter didn't play at all last year much like Bernard in his rookie season and then broke out year 2.

     

    I'm expecting big things out of Shakir also...and the advanced metrics strongly back that up.

    Brand Beane Press Conf 4/18

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    18 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

    https://www.buffalobills.com/video/your-team-has-to-evolve-bills-general-manager-brandon-beane-speaks-ahead-of-the-2024-nfl-draft-buffalo-bills

     

    Take aways:

    1. I do not think Beane is even thinking about moving into the top 10 to get one of the big 3 WR. 
      1. He said he would take any call, but he also said teams in the top 10 don't generally call teams down at 28.  
      2. When asked about him calling them, he mocked them even wanting to take his call and made it clear he hasn't called them.  
      3. Worth noting as well, Bills have no reported visits or meetings with MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.  We did reportedly meet once with Thomas.  
      4. He is not a fan at all of moving a future first, which I will cover in comments below.  
    2. I think he made it pretty clear as well that we are not going to be trading for a proven guy such as Aiyuk or Higgins as many have been wanting.  
      1. Specifically said when we traded for Stef, Allen was an ascending player and the offense needed a guy like that.  
      2. But that now with Allen ascended to the player he is, that is not a requirement and not necessary.
    3. He made it clear he is very comfortable making a small trade up to make sure he can get the guy he covets.  So if there is one he wants where a small move up to go get him is on the table, I think he will pull that trigger. 
    4. He also made it very clear he really does NOT want to move next years 1st, but did admit he would if the deal made sense to do it.  
      1. Referenced regretting those kind of moves in the next draft when they did them in Carolina when the next draft came and the guy they gave up that first didn't really get them over the top.
    5. He also doesn't plan to move the 2nd we got for Diggs, but wouldn't rule it out if they felt the right deal was there.  
    6. Between Josh, McD and Beane interviews, I think it was pretty clear they have a lot of confidence in the core of Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, and Cook.  It is clear we are going after a WR in first 2 rounds, but I would not expect us to go back to back WR or take 2 early as some around here have suggested.  If we take a 2nd one, I would expect it later like rounds 4 and on.  
    7. Beane made it clear that trading back is very much in play at 28 and pointed out if they couldn't get Kincaid they had a real good trade back worked out he really liked.  
    8. Also added he would love to add someone on the DL that can contribute this season.  
      1. While he said it could be in the first, would have to see what is there at 28 in general, but went on to say he sees guys outside the first in this draft that can come in and contribute this year.

     

    So what I came away with is that I think there is very little chance we are making a move to get MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.  It was also clear it was just as unlikely we are going after someone like Aiyuk, Higgins, etc either.  And that has been my belief all along as well.  

     

    While I wouldn't say that anything he said rules out moving up into the teens to get Thomas (like say Jags at 17), I think it's a low possibility he goes up outside the 20's.  The thing that most often stuck out was the reluctance on using high future picks to move up.  I think Beane really likes the idea of having a first and two 2nd's next year and really prefers not trading them.   And I do think that trading back is a very strong possibility for us to try and get a 3rd this year or maybe even a third 2nd for next year.

     

    All in all this was a good listen...and Beane has a track record for being pretty straight forward and candid on these things, so I think he is shooting pretty straight with his comments like he always has. 

     

     

     

    Believing anything anyone says at this time of year is a fools errand.  If they are talking about the draft at this time of the year, they are lying or at best telling half-truths or statements with a glimmer of truth. Count on it.

    Interesting tidbit from Schoen regarding draft grades on players staying in school

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    14 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

    Was omw home from work,  listening to WFAN and they were playing Joe Schoens live media scrum.

    Couldn't listen to whole thing but one statement really stood out for the whole draft and every team. 

     

    He stated there was either 140 or 170 (can't remember exact #) players they had a draftable grade on, that are staying in school this year, majority because the NIL deals and ability to make $$, in his opinion 

     

    So this is the bad side to the NIL deals. Going to make GMs lives that much more difficult,  especially on day 3, where Beane has been stellar.

     

    Just wanted to drop this nugget, as it kinda changes the whole landscape of the draft  especially hearing it straight from a GM.

     

    It'll only get worse as years go on imo...

     

     

     

    Yup, I talked about this exact same thing a few months ago...how fewer and fewer underclassmen are declaring for the drafts now due to this.

    Best examples of failed 1st rounders who revived their careers?

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    Elam isn't a failed first rounder.  Most of the time when he plays, he plays pretty well.  He has had some key INT's in big games for us at big times and in the endzone.  Pittsburgh in the playoffs last year for example.

     

    For some reason, McD is unwilling to let him play and learn. Injuries have played a part in it, but I don't really understand how almost everytime he is pressed into duty(other than the Jags game where his ankle was basically unable to function properly) and he makes plays that you keep taking him out.

     

    He hasn't been given the opportunity really, and maybe he hasn't earned it in training camp or practice or preseason or whatever.  But Goddamn, how many big plays does he have to make IN REAL LIVE GAMES THAT MATTER before you give him a chance? Does McD have some secret agenda where he simply dislikes him to the point he will only play him if forced to?

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